metal

[Nasty-Fire]

I think you guys are refering to Luciferism. The one who believes in Satan's existence just like Christians believe in Christ and God.

 

[Vamos]

Theistic Satanists = Christians

Hmm...no.

 

[Hox]

fu

 

[Vamos]

Yeah I love u too.

 

[Hox]

 

[Annihilat0r]

^ I guess you don't understand what Satanism is all about. It's not about killing Christians and squirrels in ritual murders and overturning gravestones, it's about being free from all shackles and living your life as you wish. So perfectly sane responses by Gaahl to the questions.

There are types of Satanism, the most common type is Luciferan satanism (atheism), but there are people who actually worship Satan and would kill believers.

 

[Kenneth R.]

of course this would turn into a debate about satanism.

most any debate, gone long enough, will bring up hitler. in metal however, it's reducto ad satano.

 

[CadenZ]

There are types of Satanism, the most common type is Luciferan satanism (atheism), but there are people who actually worship Satan and would kill believers.

That'd be devil worshipping and not Satanism in my book. But well, then we're again at the categorizing dead end so we won't come to any conclusion there. Any which way, having read and seen several interviews with Gaahl I don't see anything weird, insane or naive in his responses in the Dunn documentary. Perfectly natural according to his beliefs, as I've understood them.

 

[Chinese Whispers]

That'd be devil worshipping and not Satanism in my book. But well, then we're again at the categorizing dead end so we won't come to any conclusion there. Any which way, having read and seen several interviews with Gaahl I don't see anything weird, insane or naive in his responses in the Dunn documentary. Perfectly natural according to his beliefs, as I've understood them.

I think the main thing with the Gaahl interview is that he is so po-faced and over-serious. Though I think that is just Gaahl.

 

[Arasmas]

lol @ satanism, it's a fad religion designed for angsty teenagers, see also: wicca

 

[Hox]

wait, i figured it all out

arasmas = satan

and that must mean that all opeth songs are about tits and arasmas

 

[davegrohl]

ok guys here is my long overdue treatise on heavy metal. basically what it comes down to is that 99.99999999% of it is absolutely terrible, and there are only a few classic bands that are actually worth listening to. so i won't deny that i enjoy some metallica, sabbath, opeth, etc. from time to time. but these people on this forum that basically listen to 100% metal are completely retarded.

ok well obviously if you are a teenager then you are excused for being a little naive, i mean when i was in high school i listened to a lot of metal bands. but the point is I GREW OUT OF IT. i can't even believe these 20-somethings (not to mention 30-somethings and above) that actually still listen to and respect metal like it's some kind of serious music.

this kind of brings me around to a point i have about the music listening habits of the entire world population. that is, people tend to like what they liked when they were teenagers, for their whole lives. we all know the baby boomer parent types that only listen to buffalo springfield and mountain and whatever. in comparison - for many people my age, metal was the music we loved during our formative high school years. and this is fine. every kid is an idiot, and since we are easily swayed by trends and other people's dumb opinions during these years, we usually like shitty music.

the thing is, people like me have learned that there are other worlds of music out there that simply put metal to shame. i simply cannot understand how somebody could be exposed to such extraordinarily mind-expanding musicians as bob dylan, neil young, the rolling stones, john coltrane, j.s. bach, and beethoven, and STILL want to listen to metal. literally the only reason i listen to metal these days is for an occasional dose of nostalgia.

the only conclusion i can draw from this is that people above the age of say, 20, who still list above 50% of their favorite bands as metal bands, are musically stunted. these people do not have the capacity to appreciate music. but naturally they don't realize this about themselves - they think they are the best musical critics they know. and it is impossible to persuade them otherwise - somewhat akin to trying to persuade a fundamentalist mormon that there is no god. nothing you can put into words will have any effect on them whatsoever.

but of course, they will staunchly defend their love of the world's most self-parodic genre. but don't worry - i've heard all the arguments in the book. and here's the thing - i'm someone who has been there and back. i KNOW why people like metal. because i kinda do, in a way. but i've realized that it is nothing more than a fun, kitschy alternative to real music.

thank you for your time.

-wes

hahahaha
i really liked this post, seriously. I`ve been listening to metal only for 4 or 5 years, because someone invited me to be in a metal band (i`m more like an alternative guy), then he borrowed me some cd`s, a lot of them, and i just couldn´t get a lot of the stuff i was listening. I mean thanx to that i listen to opeth, katatonia, my dying bride, isis, dark tranquility and a lot of other great bands, but like you said, i believe like 98% of metal is just not worth it. Specially with their lyrics. I`d rather listen to Jeff Buckley.

cheers.

 

[dwoakee]

there's definitely some truth in what arasmas is saying. it's just his generalizations and his know-it-all way of putting it that bothers me. "kitschy alternative to real music" ... come on. kitschy, yes. but not real music? often simple, at times simplistic, yes. but not all of it!

john cage was once questioned regarding his work "water walk" if this is really music. He said (in similiar words): "Music is the production of sounds. In this piece i produce a lot of sounds, so I'ld say it's music." That was way back in the conservative 50s and the host of the show didn't question John Cage's music any further but instead let him present it. we should at least be as open-minded as that here on the opeth forum.

 

[Arasmas]

lol you gigantic moron, i don't LITERALLY mean metal isn't music, i just mean it isn't good music

 

[Jackboot]

Arasmas, can I ask why exactly you're on this forum and have hundreds of posts?

Seriously, I want to know.

 

[biggsy]

because he's funny and a more interesting member than you faggot:Smug:

 

[Jackboot]

because he's funny and a more interesting member than you faggot:Smug:

So, even though he hates metal, he's a member of the Ultimate Metal forum with almost 500 posts simply because he's funny and more interesting than me. And also I'm a faggot.

Makes sense.

 

[Khayman666]

So, even though he hates metal, he's a member of the Ultimate Metal forum with almost 500 posts simply because he's funny and more interesting than me. And also I'm a faggot.

Makes sense.

Yea, coz yer a:

Never mind Arasmas and co., he's obviously a:

:Smug:

 

[biggsy]

So, even though he hates metal, he's a member of the Ultimate Metal forum with almost 500 posts simply because he's funny and more interesting than me. And also I'm a faggot.

Makes sense.

iirc he doesnt mind listening to some classic bands such as sabbath, someone else and quite importantly, opeth (so he doesnt hate 'all metal', plz dont generalise thankyou). seeing as this is opeth's forum id say he has every reason to post here...

and yeah, you are a raging man-ass lover.

 

[Chinese Whispers]

I will say this. Arasmas has had the most interesting (or at least the most thought provoking) posts around here lately.