Muslim Maniacs!

[Norsemaiden]

It would surely be no surprise if the Israelis (or US government) think that right now is the ideal opportunity to bomb Iran as well as the Hamas parliament in Palestine.

The Western public opinion would simply be to regard this action as a heroic stance in favour of liberty. Any other time, there would be global condemnation, but the Muslims have really laid themselves open to attack with the way they are over reacting to those cartoons of Mohammed.

 

[derek]

I have no qualm with people of rational ability but my opinion of the Muslim world, as a whole, is one of a chauvinistic, bullying religion that is becoming ever over shadowed by its extremist followers.

 

[Lord SteveO]

Agree with you totally Final Product.

I just see every day that the Islamic religion is digging itself into a bigger hole. I mean they really are acting like a bunch of bullies.
I'll accept there are good muslims, lots of them, but the ones who affect how the religion acts and what it does are really turinging everything against themsleves. It seems to me that whilst our governments teach us tollerance and respect, their religion is trying to destroy us, they want everyone to conform to their rules. They want to kill anyone not following their way, and if we dare make fun of them they go and try to cause us more harm.
It is my firm belief that the Islamic faith will be the biggest threat to the world in the 21st century.
Global warming is bad, and the spread of AIDS, bird flu or unstable economies are all there too, but this one religion really is starting to show signs of stirring up too much trouble to simply be ignored.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Agree with you totally Final Product.

I just see every day that the Islamic religion is digging itself into a bigger hole. I mean they really are acting like a bunch of bullies.
I'll accept there are good muslims, lots of them, but the ones who affect how the religion acts and what it does are really turinging everything against themsleves. It seems to me that whilst our governments teach us tollerance and respect, their religion is trying to destroy us, they want everyone to conform to their rules. They want to kill anyone not following their way, and if we dare make fun of them they go and try to cause us more harm.
It is my firm belief that the Islamic faith will be the biggest threat to the world in the 21st century.
Global warming is bad, and the spread of AIDS, bird flu or unstable economies are all there too, but this one religion really is starting to show signs of stirring up too much trouble to simply be ignored.

Agreed. something must be done.

 

[Dän]

Danish Journo said. When Life of Brian came out how much was there a Christain outcry around the world because of the movies content. Its ok to have a go at christians but as soon as you poke fun at Muslims then all of a sudden its a big fucken fiasco - they are rioting all over the world because of a cartoon, i mean for fucks sake, they are nut cases.

By the way i really like Life of Brian - one of the best movies ever!!

 

[Norsemaiden]

My favourite movie too

By the way, those Danish products that the Muslims are boycotting - that would be bacon, lager and porn?

 

[Kenneth R.]

Life of Brian is hilarious- and I'm a Christian

I think these people are taking it too seriously and I think an attack is just as over-reactive

 

[Norsemaiden]

An attack by Bush/Israel against Iran/Hamas would not be a reaction to the Muslim protests about the cartoons. The intention to attack is already there, but the right moment from a point of view of avoiding maximum condemnation would be a time like now.

 

[Kenneth R.]

Why cause more destruction in the world when we already FUCKD up in Iraq?

 

[SoundMaster]

When Life of Brian came out how much was there a Christain outcry around the world because of the movies content. Its ok to have a go at christians but as soon as you poke fun at Muslims then all of a sudden its a big fucken fiasco - they are rioting all over the world because of a cartoon, i mean for fucks sake, they are nut cases.

Well, to be fair, the Christian right condemns any and everything that they perceive to be disrespectful towards their faith. In America, you have to watch what you say else the religious right will bring all of their wrath down upon you (just ask Disney).

Anyway, as to the original post, the ultimate problem is that the Middle East has yet to experiece some sort of renassiance as did the West centuries ago and as did the Far East in the last 50 years.

In the West, for centuries, Christianity was just as monstrous as Islam is today. And when the Ren occured, Christianity had to either grow and change or stand the chance of becomming irrelevant. Heck, we've seen a LOT of this with the Roman Catholic Church over the past 50 years, as well (Vatican II, for example).

 

[Norsemaiden]

Why cause more destruction in the world when we already FUCKD up in Iraq?

The aim is to eliminate threats to Israel. The "war on terror" only really makes sense in this context.

 

[Lord SteveO]

Update: Syrian protesters set fire to Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus.

Just proves even more so how utterly pointless trying to reason with these people is. A few cartoons resutls in the burning of embassies. Norway had nothing to do with this anyway, its just plain ridiculous now. The muslim world it just making itself look worse with everything they do. How can they expect respect after all of this? I seriously doubt people will feel sympathy for them now, they are just acting like bullies towards anyone who is not following their religion.

 

[speed]

Well, to be fair, the Christian right condemns any and everything that they perceive to be disrespectful towards their faith. In America, you have to watch what you say else the religious right will bring all of their wrath down upon you (just ask Disney).

Anyway, as to the original post, the ultimate problem is that the Middle East has yet to experiece some sort of renassiance as did the West centuries ago and as did the Far East in the last 50 years.

In the West, for centuries, Christianity was just as monstrous as Islam is today. And when the Ren occured, Christianity had to either grow and change or stand the chance of becomming irrelevant. Heck, we've seen a LOT of this with the Roman Catholic Church over the past 50 years, as well (Vatican II, for example).

I agree with this post; well said.

 

[Lord SteveO]

Good post, i agree.

I've heard a lot of people saying things like "well this is nothing compared to what the RC church did centuries ago".
Yes this is true, but as you sais, western society and religion has matured so to speak since then.
This has yet to happen in the middle east, they still hold their century old laws and ways true inspite of the problems it causes for both themselves and the rest of the world.
Many muslims might say "why should we change to be more like you?". Wel the fact is that if they don't watch it there will not be a muslim religion to worship. They will either have broken up with in fighting, or the rest of the world will have lost its patience with them.

 

[speed]

It would surely be no surprise if the Israelis (or US government) think that right now is the ideal opportunity to bomb Iran as well as the Hamas parliament in Palestine.

The Western public opinion would simply be to regard this action as a heroic stance in favour of liberty. Any other time, there would be global condemnation, but the Muslims have really laid themselves open to attack with the way they are over reacting to those cartoons of Mohammed.

I think the problem in the Middle East is so complex, that most Westerners are ignorant or unintentionally fall for the propaganda.

First, a great deal of what is happening is a direct reaction to Western foreign policy on the region--especially American--since WWI. I doubt I need to inform anyone of the royal fuck up the British, French, American, and even Soviet governments did to the region (arabs will go back to the Ottomans even). I have no desire to give a detailed history of the problem, because it would be so long. But remember, our meddling in Iraqi affairs with the shah produced the hardline government we have had in Iran for the last 25 years, and it also made us enemy no 1.

Second, many of these protests are now in reaction to current American policies; as in the Iraqi war, support for Israel, etc. If one talks to a educated Arab, one would learn how mad they are we support the Saudi's, the emirs of Kuwait, the Turks, and the Husseins of Jordan--things we never even discuss here.

Third, its obvious the current Iranian president is way in over his head, and a puppet of the Ayatollahs.

Fourth, we are not going to do anything in Iran, as CHina and Russia are both supporting the country. If we were to start bombing, they would divert the oil to CHina and Russia. And Iran is the no.2 producer of oil.

Fifth, they will just take the nuclear program underground. And lets face it, if Pakistan has the bomb, Iran cannot be far behind. It would just be prolonging the inevitable.

Sixth, As Soundmaster alluded to, the reaction of Islam to the modern world is probably to be expected. The religious foundations of Islam are being overturned.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Interesting sidebar:

From about 1000-1350, the Muslim world was superior to Christian Europe in about every way. Technologically, scientifically, socially, economically, etc. Then the black death comes along. Europeans realize that fanatical religion can't save them from the black death, they begin to have a more scientific point of view from then on, and the dark ages of Europe end shortly after. The western world then advances rapidly in the following centuries. In the Muslim world, their advanced society has no answers to the black death, they turn their back on science and adopt fanatical religion. If not for Western influence, the Muslim world would still be stuck in the 14th century.

 

[VikingSF]

"Religion of peace" indeed. Huge numbers of Muslims protesting violently and burning buildings in Syria because they are upset over a depiction of their prophet as a violent man (one of the cartoons showed Mohammad wearing a bomb as a turban) - the irony is completely lost on them, apparently. Islam is a corrupt religion that is either headed for a serious change to bring them into the modern world, or a violent demise in the culture war that is upon us.

 

[speed]

Interesting sidebar:

From about 1000-1350, the Muslim world was superior to Christian Europe in about every way. Technologically, scientifically, socially, economically, etc. Then the black death comes along. Europeans realize that fanatical religion can't save them from the black death, they begin to have a more scientific point of view from then on, and the dark ages of Europe end shortly after. The western world then advances rapidly in the following centuries. In the Muslim world, their advanced society has no answers to the black death, they turn their back on science and adopt fanatical religion. If not for Western influence, the Muslim world would still be stuck in the 14th century.

Well I think Luther and Calvin, and the discovery of the ancients(Galen and Aristotle etc.), had alot to do with the West's sudden rise and allowance of science; and apparently the climate changed around the 15th century, warming Europe up, thus making their crops more plentiful etc.

 

[MasterOLightning]

The rebirth of Aristotle was one of the keys for sure. The climate change was the end of the mini ice age that began in 1300 or so. The black death made this mini ice age manageable since there were so fewer people to feed. There were signs of Europe waking up well before the black death, but it had a crippling effect on the Muslim world.

 

[speed]

The rebirth of Aristotle was one of the keys for sure. The climate change was the end of the mini ice age that began in 1300 or so. The black death made this mini ice age manageable since there were so fewer people to feed. There were signs of Europe waking up well before the black death, but it had a crippling effect on the Muslim world.

Well, there were alot of other reasons too. An end of enlightened governance and the rise of the corrupt Ottomans--who I remind you were besieging Vienna in 1529. The disruption of trade with the East--and then with Europe. Tamerlane sacked Iran, muslim Pakistan/India, Northern Iraq, Turkey.