Mustaine screws over War Machine?

[BABS]

WARMACHINE for a special show Wednesday night before karaoke!!!!!!

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing myself!

Yes, let Progpower welcome Warmachine into it's bosom (lol, sorry felt like being a goof here)!

 

[Ascension]

Mustaine is such a cheap, pitiful excuse for a musician it really hurts. What he has mananged to do in the span of a few weeks just reeks of self-centeredness.

Huh? How does being a fairly ruthless businessman make him a "cheap, pitiful excuse for a musician"? I think buttloads of Megadeth albums sold & a pretty solid fanbase negates your statement. Self-centered? Well...duh...lol. Pretty much common knowledge.

 

[rms]

I'll be happy staying home from this one, though I will check out Evile if they come around here on another tour.

Its for Gigantour in the UK

 

[BABS]

Pardon me for being nieve, but isn't Earache an indie label same as Nightmare? I understand that they are a more well known label, but I was just wondering.

For me the jury is still out on Earache. I've seen them do well by some bands and others not. I think they hit their stride with Morbid Angel and Napalm Death, but don't know what any of the newer artists are doing for them. I thought they were primarily based out of England, but I could be wrong on that????

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Pardon me for being nieve, but isn't Earache an indie label same as Nightmare? I understand that they are a more well known label, but I was just wondering.

Yes it is, but so are Century Media, Nuclear Blast and Metal Blade. It's not a dig at Nightmare records, but outside of this specific scene (progpower scene) they're just realistically not a name most people would recognize. In a few years it is very possible that they will be, but for now that's the reality.

Although from taking a quick look at their site, I understand now why I don't know much about this label, because it looks like the majority of their bands are hardcore or death metal - neither one do I really care for (I like some death metal, hardcore just sounds like noise to my ears though.) Those two genres do seem to be the main two types of hard music that most people in the US know anything about, but wasn't this poll for support on a Euopean tour?

Earache is one of the longest standing labels in the genre. It has a very deep and rich history with some of the founders of the death metal genre. Also, not all Europeans dig prog and power metal. There is a bigger scene over there (especially for power and true metal) but it is by no means exclusive. Besides, Evile has a great old school thrash sound. Works great with old 'Deth material.

Also, didn't one or two of the guys who are actually in the band War Machine already post on this thread saying that they "had all their ducks in a row" (sponsorships, funding, etc.) and were never even asked about whatever logisitical issues Megadeth's management thinks may have gotten in the way. Ahh yes here it is (sorry, not two band members, but a band member and a friend of the band):


This announcement from Mustaine online seems to be the first they even heard that they were not accepted for this tour. I think it would have been a lot more professional for the Megadeth camp to have handled this differently, regardless of if they thought War Machine was the best choice for this particular tour or not. It's not exactly what choice was made that I think has everyone on this board so irritated, it's the two-faced manner in which it seems was handled by Mustaine and his management.

Right, I understand all that and it was a mistake on the part of the management to release that statement. Again though, this statement approaches the issue from the "what would i do to my friends" side, not the "how would i run my business". I don't think it's right for the management or Mustaine himself to make those assumptions, but he did. It also makes sense on a global standpoint that they use a band that is based in the UK. Cheaper all around. Again, that isn't to excuse a fabricated statement, but I also don't think it's right for anyone in Warmachine or supporters of said band to approach the issue as though they are owed anything, because based on the language of the poll, they weren't.

Well, they got heckled in NYC when they warmed up for Behemoth. Since that's the only time I've seen them (and I really was turned off by their set), that's how I based my opinion. Perhaps they appeal to other demographics.

Yeah, JFAC is bullshit false metal. I'm not going to defend them, but they do have a very big fanbase nonetheless. It's unfortunate to see Europe churning out awesome metal while we have JFAC. Also, by the time the tour got around to the western US, JFAC was headlining and Behemoth was direct support.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

For me the jury is still out on Earache. I've seen them do well by some bands and others not. I think they hit their stride with Morbid Angel and Napalm Death, but don't know what any of the newer artists are doing for them. I thought they were primarily based out of England, but I could be wrong on that????

Yeah, they originated in England. Don't forget, they also had Bolt Thrower, Carcass, and Entombed. They've released some classic stuff. They've also done a lot of bands very wrong, and there are a lot of people who really dislike them based on some of the head's business decisions.

 

[dcowboys311]

Yeah, JFAC is bullshit false metal. I'm not going to defend them, but they do have a very big fanbase nonetheless. It's unfortunate to see Europe churning out awesome metal while we have JFAC. Also, by the time the tour got around to the western US, JFAC was headlining and Behemoth was direct support.

Wow, Behemoth went to a support slot? I knew they were co-headlining, and Nergal told me that JFAC was closing most of the dates, but if JFAC got more stage time than Behemoth that's just bullshit.

 

[rms]

They shared at my date, and I hated their set terribly. Never seen the lead singer spit on people so often before

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Ah, maybe it was co-headlining. My mistake. Still, that's generally done based on how many people leave before the headliner. I remember on the Arsis headlining tour with All Shall Perish, they had to move Arsis to direct support because everyone left after All Shall Perish. Sucks because i had to put up with the wanabee hardcore douchebags.

 

[dcowboys311]

Haha wow, I didn't even know that Arsis was supposed to be headlining that tour. By the time it came here (and it came to my school, which was freaking awesome), Arsis was already in the support slot. Surprisingly though, they had a bigger turnout than All Shall Perish.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

We didn't. We had retarded 16 year old all shall perish fans wearing their animosity hoodies fighting invisible ninjas. At one point one dude was literally rolling around on the floor of the pit for absolutely no reason. I can deal with retarded fans, but it was honest to god the first time a crowd flat out ruined a performance for me. Also didn't help that one of the jackasses swinging his arms around hit me then wondered why I screamed at him.

 

[J-Man]

Huh? How does being a fairly ruthless businessman make him a "cheap, pitiful excuse for a musician"? I think buttloads of Megadeth albums sold & a pretty solid fanbase negates your statement. Self-centered? Well...duh...lol. Pretty much common knowledge.

I may have misstated what i wanted to say, thanks for the clarification, but he is still a self-centered ass in my opinion.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

I may have misstated what i wanted to say, thanks for the clarification, but he is still a self-centered ass in my opinion.

Well, so is Gene Simmons and look at him. He's mega rich, has a literal army of fans, more of a prick than anyone could imagine and is definitely a ruthless business man. And for that, I applaud him.

 

[Burnout]

Haha wow, I didn't even know that Arsis was supposed to be headlining that tour. By the time it came here (and it came to my school, which was freaking awesome), Arsis was already in the support slot. Surprisingly though, they had a bigger turnout than All Shall Perish.

Yeah, they seemed to be the biggest draw next to Enslaved on their last tour. The Faceless didn't honestly seem to go over all that well.

I still don't get the JfaC appeal, they're basically just rehashing/borrowing/ripping off what's already been done by an endless number of bands before them only with a -core/scene aesthetic. uke:

 

[Jasonic]

Can someone answer my question above?
Were fans allowed to "Write In" bands, or was there a pre-determined list?

 

[Cheiron]

Pre-determined list.

 

[Jasonic]

Interesting. So that means that Dave must have been aware of WARMACHINE, no????

Anyhow, no need to worry.....

I just found out that EVILE started off as a Metallica cover band, called "Metal Militia"

Bye bye EVILE!!!

 

[Bryan316]

Job For A Cowboy has a fanbase because they cater to the ignorant. And there's plenty of them to go around.

Gigantour was started to cater to those bands and fans who are BETTER than the ignorant masses wanna hear. Who expect to hear something BETTER than what should stay on Ozzfest's crap second stage and Sharon's evil reputation.


As much as I love MegadetH's work and achievements, this incident with Warmachine is just too much bullshit for me to accept, even on a evil-music-business level.

I won't attend Gigantour.

 

[rms]

Interesting. So that means that Dave must have been aware of WARMACHINE, no????

Anyhow, no need to worry.....

I just found out that EVILE started off as a Metallica cover band, called "Metal Militia"

Bye bye EVILE!!!

On another forum I read consider Evile to be a thrash clone, I havent listened to them but just for an idea of them

 

[Mosquito]

Huh? How does being a fairly ruthless businessman make him a "cheap, pitiful excuse for a musician"? I think buttloads of Megadeth albums sold & a pretty solid fanbase negates your statement. Self-centered? Well...duh...lol. Pretty much common knowledge.

Once again you have associated selling a lot of albums and having a fanbase is equal to being a good musician. I believe that about a year or so ago, this was your reasoning for Dream Theater being good too. I'm at work so I don't have time to look through the older posts, but will try to later. Your reasoning for Mustaine being a good musician (lots of albums and a large fanbase) are actually reasons for being a good businessman, not a musician.