My complaint about In Flames

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Why is it that some people are so devoid of a sense of humor? Naturally, I'm referring to In Flames's latest criticisms. In the text that follows, when I quote from In Flames, I will use the word "excrement" in place of another word which is now apparently permitted in general circulation publications, and which I have edited out. It is no accident that his memoranda are a parody of original thought. How does he deal with this fascinating piece of information? He totally ignores it. His cat's-paws maintain that blackguardism is the only alternative to factionalism. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able to, of course, but because I wonder what would happen if In Flames really did treat traditional values as if they were insane crimes. There's a spooky thought. As for me, I have no bombs, no planes, no artillery, and no terrorist plots. But I do have weapons and tactics that are far more deadly: pure light and simple truth.

Everywhere he's gone, In Flames has tried to shout obscenities at passers-by. It can happen here, too. How on earth these schizophrenics can think of themselves as anything but jackbooted pothouse drunks is beyond me. I am deliberately using colorful language in this letter. I am deliberately using provocative phrases that I hope will stick in the minds of my readers. I do ensure, however, that my words are always appropriate and accurate and clearly explain how I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to appeal not to the contented and satisfied, but embrace those tormented by suffering, those without peace, the unhappy and the discontented. Of course, even when the facts don't fit, he sometimes tries to use them anyway. He still maintains, for instance, that he has the mandate of Heaven to destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests. Either In Flames has no real conception of the sweep of history, or he is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context.

As a matter of fact, he doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. He uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. In Flames feels no guilt for any of the harm he's caused. It is unclear whether this is because facts and their accuracy make a story, not the overdramatization of whatever In Flames dreams up, because In Flames's simplistic reasoning follows the same fallacies as so many other treatises on similar issues, or a combination of the two. I don't want to overstate this point, but there are few certainties in life. I have counted only three: death, taxes, and In Flames doing some voluble thing every few weeks. He contends that his tirades epitomize wholesome family entertainment. Excuse me, but where exactly did this little factoid come from?

I am not particularly fond of In Flames. But that's not the end of the story. If you can go more than a minute without hearing In Flames talk about oligarchism, you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial.

If he thinks that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future, then he's sadly mistaken. I'm inclined to think that when In Flames hears anyone say that the people he attacks deserve compassion, not insults, put-downs, or stereotypes, his answer is to promulgate partisan prejudice against others. That's similar to taking a few drunken swings at a beehive: it just makes me want even more to create a world in which particularism, careerism, and fanaticism are all but forgotten. Listen carefully: He can't possibly believe that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to usher in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times. He's stupid, but he's not that stupid.

Although In Flames babbles on and on about obscurantism, he has no more conception of it than most other unambitious crooks. His secret agents say that nothing would help society more than for them to inaugurate an era of pushy, pathetic separatism. Sorry, I don't buy that. His understrappers portray themselves as fervent believers in freedom of speech and expression, but are loath to reveal that I cannot promise not to be angry at In Flames. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads In Flames -- to stir up trouble. Ask him about any of his fans who write off whole sections of society, and the conniving jerk will say, "I never meant they should go that far." If the left of the current political spectrum is unruly commercialism, and the right is uncouth corporatism, then In Flames's politics are unequivocally going to be a form of annoying escapism.

In Flames seems completely incapable of understanding that I certainly dislike him. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that the only weapons In Flames has in his intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all he has, and he knows it. I don't mean to scare you, but a great many of us don't want him to raise extortionate demands. But we feel a prodigious societal pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to his socially inept threats. Have you ever had a bad dream about In Flames trying to prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture? Well, I have news for you. That wasn't a dream; it was real. In its annual report on insecure incidents, the government concluded that his most recent complaints are irreverent, in bad taste, and inappropriate. That's self-evident, and even In Flames would probably agree with me on that. Even so, I am tired of hearing or reading that the ideas of "freedom" and "nonrepresentationalism" are Siamese twins. You know that that is simply not true.

I can sincerely suggest how he ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with In Flames himself. There are those who are informed and educated about the evils of gangsterism, and there are those who are not. In Flames is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why ever since he decided to leave helpless citizens afraid in the streets, in their jobs, and even in their homes, his consistent, unvarying line has been that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, I must say that I call this phenomenon "In Flames-ism". Of that I am certain, because if you were to tell In Flames that except for a few bright spots, his methods of interpretation are thoroughly irrational, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world.

To those readers who believe that laws are meant to be broken, you have not been paying attention. Speaking of which, my dream is for tired eyes to open and see clearly, broken spirits to find new energy, and weary arms to find the strength to open students' eyes, minds, hearts, and souls to the world around them. Maybe In Flames just can't handle harsh reality. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: He holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who limit the terms of debate by declaring certain subjects beyond discussion.

If he had even a shred of intellectual integrity, he'd admit that he can fool some of the people all of the time. He can fool all of the people some of the time. But In Flames can't fool all of the people all of the time. I cannot emphasize enough how much I resent his activities. In Flames believes that Fabianism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. He will develop a Pavlovian reflex in us, to make us afraid to tackle the multinational death machine that he is currently constructing because he possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses the most contumelious brigands I've ever seen with brainless and uncontrollable rage. In Flames wants to devalue me as a person. What's wrong with that? What's wrong is In Flames's gossamer grasp of reality. In the beginning of this letter, I promised you details, but now I'm running out of space. So here's one detail to end with: The present controversy demands honest dialogue, not crude attempts at demonization.
 
what exactly are you talking about??? I read your whole post and am left with a feeling of "what the fuck", sorry if I'm missing something....... but with whom is your post directed??? In Flames the band??? or someone calling themselves In Flames on this board or something. I only ask because you frequently refer to In Flames as "him" and "he", and then suddenly refer to In Flames as "them", and "they". Which is actually the cardinal "grammitical" sin. Again, sorry if I'm missing something which to others might be obvious........ but I'm confused as fuck. Please explain
 
That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read.

Jesus fucking Christ... at least make it understandable, and prefereably about In Flames.
 
riling people with the push of a button... cool. let's turn it up a notch

My complaint about Opeth:

I just want a little editorial balance here. Let's review the errors in Opeth's statements in order. First, like most groups that have an improvident agenda to advocate, Opeth wants to lionize apolaustic flibbertigibbets. Its helots like having a stamp of assurance from it that what they're doing is fashionable, or at least acceptable. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that it is trying to eavesdrop on all kinds of private conversations. It's mission? To have more impact on Earth's biological, geological, and chemical systems during our lifetime and our children's than all preceding human generations had together. If the only way to offer a framework for discussion so that we can more quickly reach a consensus is for me to feel disconnected from reality, then so be it. It would indubitably be worth it, because its cock-and-bull stories are not witty satire, as Opeth would have you believe. They're simply the dim-witted ramblings of a group that has no idea or appreciation of what it's mocking. It has a staggering number of hidebound hirelings. One way to lower their numbers, if not eradicate them entirely, is simple. We just inform them that some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, it contends that its deeds prevent smallpox. Excuse me, but where exactly did this little factoid come from? Still, the issue of what to do about Opeth's scornful hastily mounted campaigns is far from settled. The letter you just read should be seen as a starting point for dialogue on this controversial issue.

Mwhaaaahahahahahaha

fuck, i think i just made myself a "hidebound hireling"
:D
 
Once again, I am writing in response to Opeth's threats, and once again, I merely wish to point out that enough is enough. To begin with, Opeth is extraordinarily brazen. We've all known that for a long time. However, his willingness to misdirect our efforts into fighting each other rather than into understanding the nature and endurance of fatuous, hateful hedonism sets a new world record for brazenness. His propaganda machine once said that he would never obliterate our sense of identity. So much for credibility!

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:lol:

This thing has so many uses! Thanks Tindor!
 
Originally posted by Tindor
Why is it that some people are so devoid of a sense of humor? Naturally, I'm referring to In Flames's latest criticisms. In the text that follows, when I quote from In Flames, I will use the word "excrement" in place of another word which is now apparently permitted in general circulation publications, and which I have edited out. It is no accident that his memoranda are a parody of original thought. How does he deal with this fascinating piece of information? He totally ignores it. His cat's-paws maintain that blackguardism is the only alternative to factionalism. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able to, of course, but because I wonder what would happen if In Flames really did treat traditional values as if they were insane crimes. There's a spooky thought. As for me, I have no bombs, no planes, no artillery, and no terrorist plots. But I do have weapons and tactics that are far more deadly: pure light and simple truth.

Everywhere he's gone, In Flames has tried to shout obscenities at passers-by. It can happen here, too. How on earth these schizophrenics can think of themselves as anything but jackbooted pothouse drunks is beyond me. I am deliberately using colorful language in this letter. I am deliberately using provocative phrases that I hope will stick in the minds of my readers. I do ensure, however, that my words are always appropriate and accurate and clearly explain how I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to appeal not to the contented and satisfied, but embrace those tormented by suffering, those without peace, the unhappy and the discontented. Of course, even when the facts don't fit, he sometimes tries to use them anyway. He still maintains, for instance, that he has the mandate of Heaven to destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests. Either In Flames has no real conception of the sweep of history, or he is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context.

As a matter of fact, he doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. He uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. In Flames feels no guilt for any of the harm he's caused. It is unclear whether this is because facts and their accuracy make a story, not the overdramatization of whatever In Flames dreams up, because In Flames's simplistic reasoning follows the same fallacies as so many other treatises on similar issues, or a combination of the two. I don't want to overstate this point, but there are few certainties in life. I have counted only three: death, taxes, and In Flames doing some voluble thing every few weeks. He contends that his tirades epitomize wholesome family entertainment. Excuse me, but where exactly did this little factoid come from?

I am not particularly fond of In Flames. But that's not the end of the story. If you can go more than a minute without hearing In Flames talk about oligarchism, you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial.

If he thinks that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future, then he's sadly mistaken. I'm inclined to think that when In Flames hears anyone say that the people he attacks deserve compassion, not insults, put-downs, or stereotypes, his answer is to promulgate partisan prejudice against others. That's similar to taking a few drunken swings at a beehive: it just makes me want even more to create a world in which particularism, careerism, and fanaticism are all but forgotten. Listen carefully: He can't possibly believe that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to usher in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times. He's stupid, but he's not that stupid.

Although In Flames babbles on and on about obscurantism, he has no more conception of it than most other unambitious crooks. His secret agents say that nothing would help society more than for them to inaugurate an era of pushy, pathetic separatism. Sorry, I don't buy that. His understrappers portray themselves as fervent believers in freedom of speech and expression, but are loath to reveal that I cannot promise not to be angry at In Flames. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads In Flames -- to stir up trouble. Ask him about any of his fans who write off whole sections of society, and the conniving jerk will say, "I never meant they should go that far." If the left of the current political spectrum is unruly commercialism, and the right is uncouth corporatism, then In Flames's politics are unequivocally going to be a form of annoying escapism.

In Flames seems completely incapable of understanding that I certainly dislike him. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that the only weapons In Flames has in his intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all he has, and he knows it. I don't mean to scare you, but a great many of us don't want him to raise extortionate demands. But we feel a prodigious societal pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to his socially inept threats. Have you ever had a bad dream about In Flames trying to prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture? Well, I have news for you. That wasn't a dream; it was real. In its annual report on insecure incidents, the government concluded that his most recent complaints are irreverent, in bad taste, and inappropriate. That's self-evident, and even In Flames would probably agree with me on that. Even so, I am tired of hearing or reading that the ideas of "freedom" and "nonrepresentationalism" are Siamese twins. You know that that is simply not true.

I can sincerely suggest how he ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with In Flames himself. There are those who are informed and educated about the evils of gangsterism, and there are those who are not. In Flames is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why ever since he decided to leave helpless citizens afraid in the streets, in their jobs, and even in their homes, his consistent, unvarying line has been that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, I must say that I call this phenomenon "In Flames-ism". Of that I am certain, because if you were to tell In Flames that except for a few bright spots, his methods of interpretation are thoroughly irrational, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world.

To those readers who believe that laws are meant to be broken, you have not been paying attention. Speaking of which, my dream is for tired eyes to open and see clearly, broken spirits to find new energy, and weary arms to find the strength to open students' eyes, minds, hearts, and souls to the world around them. Maybe In Flames just can't handle harsh reality. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: He holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who limit the terms of debate by declaring certain subjects beyond discussion.

If he had even a shred of intellectual integrity, he'd admit that he can fool some of the people all of the time. He can fool all of the people some of the time. But In Flames can't fool all of the people all of the time. I cannot emphasize enough how much I resent his activities. In Flames believes that Fabianism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. He will develop a Pavlovian reflex in us, to make us afraid to tackle the multinational death machine that he is currently constructing because he possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses the most contumelious brigands I've ever seen with brainless and uncontrollable rage. In Flames wants to devalue me as a person. What's wrong with that? What's wrong is In Flames's gossamer grasp of reality. In the beginning of this letter, I promised you details, but now I'm running out of space. So here's one detail to end with: The present controversy demands honest dialogue, not crude attempts at demonization.

oh so they dont REALLY suck, they just PRETEND, just to get a bigger audience?
 
I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, and I unquestionably don't want to start an argument, but what I take much more seriously than wishy-washy, heartless anarchists are meddlesome, negligent firebrands. The first thing I want to bring up is that Batman refers to a variety of things using the word "institutionalization". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, he's saying that skin color means more than skill and gender is more impressive than genius. At any rate, in these days of political correctness and the changing of how history is taught in schools to fulfill a particular agenda, he has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. Batman extricates himself from difficulty by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. He is locked into his present course of destruction. He does not have the interest or the will to change his fundamentally loquacious bait-and-switch tactics. I shall not argue that Batman's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to make my worst nightmares come true. Read them and see for yourself. Let me end by appealing to our collective sense of humanity: Anyone who takes Batman's homophobic generalizations seriously has obviously not spent much time around the most unprincipled utopians I've ever seen.
 
There are many self-satisfied, vindictive mendicants who want to use scapegoating as a foil to draw anger away from more accurate targets. One -- Tindor -- is so vexatious, he deserves special mention. To plunge right into it, I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that the gloss that Tindor's disciples put on Tindor's fairy tales unfortunately does little to bring strength to our families, power to our nation, and health to our cities. Not only does he create an intimidating, hostile, or demeaning environment, but he then commands his shock troops, "Go, and do thou likewise." It's unfortunate that Tindor has no real education. It's impossible to debate important topics with someone who is so mentally handicapped. Despite what he says, Tindor will drag men out of their beds in the dead of night and castrate them because he possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses smarmy jackanapes with petty and uncontrollable rage.

He shouldn't censor by caricature and preempt discussion by stereotype. That would be like asking a question at a news conference and, too angry and passionate to wait for the answer, exiting the auditorium before the response. Both of those actions mortgage away our future. Tindor's blind faith in deconstructionism leads him only to corruption. And let me tell you, if one could get a Ph.D. in Defeatism, Tindor would be the first in line to have one. Now that I've had time to think hard about his jibes, my only question is this: Why? Why engender ill will? The complete answer to that question is a long, sad story. I've answered parts of that question in several of my previous letters, and I'll answer other parts in future ones. For now, I'll just say that the reason he wants to legitimize the fear and hatred of the privileged for the oppressed is that he's thoroughly choleric. If you believe you have another explanation for his spineless, unstable behavior, then please write and tell me about it. Not only have brain-damaged propagandists decided to glorify their tricks by dressing them up as moral and righteous prerogatives, but their obiter dicta are being debated as though they were actually reasonable. The notion that Tindor can be reformed into an upright and honorable person may be a pleasant and attractive thought. But people who believe that this can happen should ask it of Santa Claus, in whom they doubtless also believe. So you see, I have found, to my considerable surprise, that Tindor is a drooling, hydra-headed monster of force and terror.
 
I'm sorry, but I just can't avoid talking about Mr. G. I. Joe, Jr.. With this letter, I hope to give Mr. Joe condign punishment. But first, I would like to make the following introductory remark: Mr. Joe has never gotten ahead because of his hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of Mr. Joe's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue. Please humor me for a moment while I state that as that last sentence suggests, he asserts that you and I are morally inferior to slimy segregationists. Most reasonable people, however, recognize such assertions as nothing more than baseless, if wishful, claims unsupported by concrete evidence.

Mr. Joe contends that censorship could benefit us. Sounds rather immature, doesn't it? Well, that's Mr. Joe for you. All in all, he says he's going to fight with spiritual weapons that are as deluded as they are revisionism-prone sooner than you think. Is he out of his mind? The answer is fairly obvious when you consider that what we're involved in with him is not a game. It's the most serious possible business, and every serious person -- every person with any shred of a sense of responsibility -- must concern himself with it. As stated earlier, I recently informed Mr. Joe that his flunkies operate in the gray area between legitimate activity and incorrigible irreligionism. Mr. Joe said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further; after all, Mr. Joe should clarify his point, so people like you and me can tell what the heck he's talking about. Without clarification, Mr. Joe's theories sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense. He is trying to put increased disruptive powers in the hands of offensive delinquents. His mission? To publish blatantly possession-obsessed rhetoric as "education" for children to learn in school.

The objection may still be raised that Mr. Joe understands the difference between civilization and savagery. At first glance, this sounds almost believable. Yet the following must be borne in mind: It's possible that Mr. Joe doesn't realize this because he has been ingrained with so much of collectivism's propaganda. If that's the case, I recommend that we embrace diversity. I guess what I really mean to say is that this kind of thing makes me wonder whether we've ever moved past hypersensitive sensationalism at all. Well, that's getting away from my main topic, which is that Mr. Joe's habitués argue that he is a martyr for freedom and a victim of antidisestablishmentarianism. These are the same lecherous big-mouths who turn me, a typically mild-mannered person, into an atrabilious, hypocritical vat of fogyism. This is no coincidence; every time Mr. Joe utters or writes a statement that supports alcoholism -- even indirectly -- it sends a message that Mr. Joe answers to no one. I think we mustn't let him make such statements, partly because he wants to galvanize a depraved hysteria, a large-scale version of the narrow-minded mentality that can win support by encapsulating frustrations and directing them toward unpopular scapegoats, even though, for most people, this desire is neither necessary nor instinctive, but primarily because he thinks we want him to make all of us pay for his boondoggles. Excuse me, but maybe he just keeps on saying, "I don't give a [expletive deleted] about you. I just want to break our country's national and patriotic backbone and make it ripe for the slave's yoke of international sadism." I may be beating a dead horse here, but I do want to point out that Mr. Joe hates it when you say that I indubitably stand foursquare in defense of liberty, freedom of speech, and the right to criticize insensitive provocateurs. He really hates it when you say that. Try saying it to him sometime, if you have a thick skin and don't mind having him shriek insults at you. Does anybody else feel the way I do, or am I alone in my disgust with Mr. G. I. Joe, Jr.?