NFL 2012

[PhlegethonVeins]

No matter what questions about misdeeds come up, the go to defense is "too many people, someone would talk", which simply isn't true. Most potential conspiracies require very few actors/knowledgeable parties, and no one has to talk. We wouldn't need FOIA if we could just assume someone always talks. Secondly, often when someone does talk, its either such an old event no one cares, or it gets no attention.

The NFL's prime directive is "achieving parity". A blowout between the supposed two best teams on the biggest stage in the world isn't broadly entertaining nor in line with the NFL's market strategy.

Again, I'm not saying it's certain. It's just a very valid possibility.

Supply something to back up your theories if you're going to expect not to be told they're silly.

"Most potential conspiracies require very few actors/knowledgeable parties"
From the things you were questioning earlier in this thread the active participants would of had to off been the officiating crew, the people involved in the engineering aspects at the superdome (pretty big crew brah) news casters, the players and coach's on each team, and of course all the big wigs in the top ranks of the nfl. That would be for this singular event, and if they 'fix' a super bowl, clearly there would be other events that would be subject to such. That covers a pretty big pool of people buddy, including many who could easily cause a massive shit storm and acquire more money from the fall out than they currently make by coming forth about it.

 

[Dak]

Supply something to back up your theories if you're going to expect not to be told they're silly.

Nothing is good enough for some. Anything is good enough for others. Your demand is empty.

From the things you were questioning earlier in this thread the active participants would of had to off been the officiating crew, the people involved in the engineering aspects at the superdome (pretty big crew brah) news casters, the players and coach's on each team, and of course all the big wigs in the top ranks of the nfl. That would be for this singular event, and if they 'fix' a super bowl, clearly there would be other events that would be subject to such. That covers a pretty big pool of people buddy, including many who could easily cause a massive shit storm and acquire more money from the fall out than they currently make by coming forth about it.

At a bare minimum it would require someone/team with access/authority to main power switches, Roger Goodell, and the Ravens starters. So, <50 people. The Ravens have no reason to talk, they still got their SB win. Making sure the "right kind of people" were already in place regarding power isn't that hard. Goodell or some other NFL exec would obviously have no reason to talk. It's really not that complicated.

More money might be acquired by the fallout, but that's called Killing the Golden Goose. Need to think big picture.

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

Nothing is good enough for some. Anything is good enough for others. Your demand is empty.

Your claims are empty. You literally have provided nothing.

At a bare minimum it would require someone/team with access/authority to main power switches, Roger Goodell, and the Ravens starters. So, <50 people. The Ravens have no reason to talk, they still got their SB win. Making sure the "right kind of people" were already in place regarding power isn't that hard. Goodell or some other NFL exec would obviously have no reason to talk. It's really not that complicated.

More money might be acquired by the fallout, but that's called Killing the Golden Goose. Need to think big

You're leaving out people required for the flow of information / what should be done between all of the people you mentioned. Keep in mind, this theory is suggesting that they blew the power on purpose in order to enact such RIGHT AFTER half time, instead of...you know, telling the Ravens to get ran over at the half. The accusation is logically inconsistent, and there is no proof to support it.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Sorry but this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You're not thinking "big picture" at all. The risk/reward is absurdly uneven. Goodell would lose his job and be sued for millions of dollars for a pulling a stunt like that. And why would he take the risk? To bank of the chance that a delay of the game would shift momentum (certainly not a guarantee) for the second half of a game that's gonna be the highest rated event of the year, regardless of whether or not it's a blowout?

Or: He could just let the game play out, let it eat ratings like it has for every year for decade upon decade and not risk losing his massive salary and face criminal charges.

Hmmm....

 

[Dak]

Your claims are empty. You literally have provided nothing.

To you.

You're leaving out people required for the flow of information / what should be done between all of the people you mentioned. Keep in mind, this theory is suggesting that they blew the power on purpose in order to enact such RIGHT AFTER half time, instead of...you know, telling the Ravens to get ran over at the half. The accusation is logically inconsistent, and there is no proof to support it.

What people required for flow of information? I don't think you understand how chains of command and authority work.

At halftime the score was 21-6. Not horrible. The lights went out after 1 minute and some change of game time that saw the Ravens widen the gap to 28-6 and the 9ers facing 3rd and 15. From what looked bad but manageable was ready to become a rout. Engage Kill-switch, but not all of them, don't want to plunge the entire stadium into darkness. Then we can't see the people milling about and keep some people watching the screen. There would probably be a bloody stampede out, people getting injured etc. Nope, just leave on enough lights so no one gets too scared. Convenient. We could also see John Harbaugh screaming at the VP of Game Operations. Wonder what would have him so mad? The VP would have nothing to do with "momentum loss" or a power outage that could supposedly cause it. Today John says it was about "maybe having to move coaches and headsets and stuff". Maybe, but IIRC one of the CBS sideline reporters said the Ravens equipment never went down, and they were working on the 49ers equipment as one of the last things coming back on line. Just too many things that don't jive.

Sorry but this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You're not thinking "big picture" at all. The risk/reward is absurdly uneven. Goodell would lose his job and be sued for millions of dollars for a pulling a stunt like that. And why would he take the risk? To bank of the chance that a delay of the game would shift momentum (certainly not a guarantee) for the second half of a game that's gonna be the highest rated event of the year, regardless of whether or not it's a blowout?

Or: He could just let the game play out, let it eat ratings like it has for every year for decade upon decade and not risk losing his massive salary and face criminal charges.

Hmmm....

You obviously didn't read everything. The power "failure" is the excuse for the "momentum shift" and the time to make the adjustment/agreement with Baltimore.

Why would someone blow the whistle on it? Those who know don't care and those who care don't know. And know as in have proof.

As far as "Eating ratings":

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/power-outage-electrifies-cbs-super-bowl-broadcast-034858903--spt.html

The power outage may have had the ironic effect of keeping viewers glued to their TVs, amazed at seeing the biggest TV event of the year momentarily shut down. At the time of the outage, the game was becoming a rout, with the Baltimore Ravens beating the San Francisco 49ers 28-6.
But afterward, momentum shifted and the 49ers rallied, making it a close game that went down to the wire before the Ravens edged out a 34-31 victory. Close contests are essential for retaining a big Super Bowl audience, so the shift that followed the outage held major ratings implications for CBS. The last three years, the game has successively set viewership records. Last year's Super Bowl drew 111.3 million average viewers for NBC.

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

To you.

No, you literally have supplied nothing.

 

[Dak]

No, you literally have supplied nothing.

Sorry I don't have name, rank, serial number for you.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

To you.


You obviously didn't read everything. The power "failure" is the excuse for the "momentum shift" and the time to make the adjustment/agreement with Baltimore.

Why would someone blow the whistle on it? Those who know don't care and those who care don't know. And know as in have proof.

Any investigative journalist who could run with this story would. This story would make Bountygate look like nothing. Politicians, corporations and governments have been busted on conspiracies, why would anyone assume that the NFL would be immune?

And when I said "eat ratings," I meant "gobble them up" as in, the ratings were gonna be huge regardless and will continute to be for the foreseeable future

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

Sorry I don't have name, rank, serial number for you.

And I'm sorry you expected this 'argument' to be taken seriously with nothing but "Blow outs are not good for ratings for an event that is going to have phenomenal ratings anyways." as ammunition for your stance.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Close contests are essential for retaining a big Super Bowl audience, so the shift that followed the outage held major ratings implications for CBS.

This is factually incorrect. Bears 46 Pats 10 and Cowboys 52 Bills 17 were two of the highest rated games ever. There are a multiplicity of factors that effect how high the Super Bowl is rated. Obviously a close score is one positive factor, but it is not necessary for the Super Bowl to be a success.

 

[Dak]

And I'm sorry you expected this 'argument' to be taken seriously with nothing but "Blow outs are not good for ratings for an event that is going to have phenomenal ratings anyways." as ammunition for your stance.

The NFL doesn't stay on top/rise by resting on it's laurels. I called the happenings suspicious. I want to see better explanations than "derp well look what happened ain't it interesting?". It's the fact that people never question anything unless told(or will refuse to question when told not to) to that "infuriates" me.

This is the statement that was released regarding the power failure:

Entergy and SMG, the company that manages the Mercedes-Benz Superdome, released a joint statement Monday providing an explanation for the power outage that took place shortly after halftime during the Super Bowl on Sunday in New Orleans, La.

Shortly after the beginning of the second half of the Super Bowl in the Mercedes Benz Superdome, a piece of equipment that is designed to monitor electrical load sensed an abnormality in the system. Once the issue was detected, the sensing equipment operated as designed and opened a breaker, causing power to be partially cut to the Superdome in order to isolate the issue.

Backup generators kicked in immediately as designed. Entergy and SMG subsequently coordinated start up procedures, ensuring that full power was safely restored to the Superdome.

The fault-sensing equipment activated where the Superdome equipment intersects with Entergy's feed into the facility.

There were no additional issues detected.

That still doesn't rule out any intervention, but it's more proof against the power outage itself being manipulated than merely handwaving it as "unlikely". It's the principle. All sorts of "unlikely" things happen all the time, but that doesn't justify kneejerk handwaving.


Edit: What timing:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-football-matchfixing-idUSBRE9130H820130204

Hundreds of soccer matches have been fixed in a global betting scam run from Singapore, police said on Monday, in a blow to the image of the world's most popular sport and a multi-billion dollar industry.

About 680 suspicious matches including qualifying games for the World Cup and European Championships, and the Champions League for top European club sides, have been identified in an inquiry by European police forces, the European anti-crime agency Europol, and national prosecutors.

"This is a sad day for European football," said Rob Wainwright, director of Europol. "This is now an integrity issue for football. Those responsible for running the games should hear the warnings."

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

Nor does an unlikely event justify kneejerk suspicion.

They released a statement stating what happened. If you expected them to provide explanations directly pandering to the few nut cases that view it as a method of the NFL fixing the game situation, you're being silly.

 

[Dak]

Nevermind then. I'm sorry. The NFL and all it's appendages and contractees are above reproach and I am nothing but some guy on the internet. No one ever tries to do anything outside of "the rules" for personal gain once they put on a suit and get cool titles like "Chief Executive". Move along, nothing to see.





Wait, a GLOBAL soccer scam??? HUNDREDS of games?? You would have thought someone would have talked after like you know, the first hundred or so. Interestingly enough, this fixing had nothing to do with the actual sport itself. It's merely a tool for outside money interests. So no, god doesn't care if your team wins or loses, but people who move money via gambling do. To suggest the NFL is immune to human nature is absurd.

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

No one is saying they're immune to such. However, throw some fucking proof on the table if you're going to be pushing such.

 

[Dak]

No one is saying they're immune to such. However, throw some fucking proof on the table if you're going to be pushing such.

Pretty hard to get proof of such things without you know, have personal direct knowledge of the specific actions, or the ability to subpoena those who would. It's called speculation for a reason, and there's nothing absurd about speculation itself. Now, had someone launched into some sort of reptilian conspiracy to zap your mind while you stared into the abyss of the darkened Super Dome, you might have some valid grounds to handwave it. Humans cheating for gain is a documented phenomena. Reptilians are not.

 

[PhlegethonVeins]

Handwave, bitch.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Does anyone here know what Dak is saying is true or not? No, including Dak himself. The truth is we will probably never know. Dak could believe or suspect anything he wants. What he's saying isn't as unreasonable as some of you are claiming.

except for this

So no, god doesn't care if your team wins or loses