Come on over to the the silver and blue side brosef. There's plenty of room on the bandwagon that is being built.
NFL 2014
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MasterOLightning
Optimator
I don't even think this team would be better than 5-9 with a league average coach. The personnel is terrible. Other than a few good fantasy options, there's so little talent on the roster. Still Trestman has done nothing to instill confidence. He's certainly gone. Remains to be seen whether Emery goes too.
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
I wouldnt doubt it.
Emery hasnt done much of anything. Terrible Draft picks all across the board, bringing in losers.
Emery hasnt done much of anything. Terrible Draft picks all across the board, bringing in losers.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
You guys just really need to fix your Oline and get some young playmakers on Defense. You definitively have the talented O skill positions.
Who's your GM, what's he all about? wha'st the consensus in Chicago?
Who's your GM, what's he all about? wha'st the consensus in Chicago?
MasterOLightning
Optimator
You neglected to mention the Bears special teams, which are completely atrocious, and a large factor as to why the offense is bad. A staggering amount of drives after scores are starting around the 10-15. When this offense was clicking last year, teams were kicking away from Hester, and field position was way better. The Bears ST under Dave Toub (now in KC) were regularly a top five unit. The current squad is a joke, with a few walking penalty flags out there, and a returner who took 11 kicks out of the end zone in a game, most of which were 7-9 yards deep.
Cutler, Forte, and Marshall on the wrong side of the aging curve, and there's reason to think all three are in decline. A bad O-line makes them all look bad, but there's not a big window to work with these guys.
The defense is bereft of talent. This year's 1st rounder, Fuller, could be a decent CB. Paea (DT) and Willie Young (DE) have played well. No one else on the defense could start for more than a handful of teams. No LBs, no safeties, Jared Allen is toast. That's too much to fix in one year. They need about 7 new starters.
Emery hasn't had enough impact draft picks. McClellin was a 1st round bust, but Jeffery has been good. That's all there is to say about that draft. The next year, Kyle Long was seen as a massive reach at G, but was a very pleasant surprise and should make some Pro-Bowls. Mid-to-late rounders are not performing and are not proving to be adequate special teamers.
Cutler, Forte, and Marshall on the wrong side of the aging curve, and there's reason to think all three are in decline. A bad O-line makes them all look bad, but there's not a big window to work with these guys.
The defense is bereft of talent. This year's 1st rounder, Fuller, could be a decent CB. Paea (DT) and Willie Young (DE) have played well. No one else on the defense could start for more than a handful of teams. No LBs, no safeties, Jared Allen is toast. That's too much to fix in one year. They need about 7 new starters.
Emery hasn't had enough impact draft picks. McClellin was a 1st round bust, but Jeffery has been good. That's all there is to say about that draft. The next year, Kyle Long was seen as a massive reach at G, but was a very pleasant surprise and should make some Pro-Bowls. Mid-to-late rounders are not performing and are not proving to be adequate special teamers.
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
Yeah hopefully they win and just end my misery. I don't really need to see Calvin Johnson annihilate Bradley Fletcher in the 1st round.
Eagles two biggest needs are still QB and CB.
Eagles two biggest needs are still QB and CB.
rms
Active Member
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Sorry man not with 3400 yards. Murray and their Oline have been too good.
Ben Roethlisberger might even be my #2 MVP
Ben Roethlisberger might even be my #2 MVP
So who is your #1 for MVP? The only other argument so far is for Aaron Rodgers, and he has been sacked less and also has a 1,000 yard rusher. Where's the massive difference in OL/run game performance? So what Rodgers has a few extra hundred yards, Romo missed a game and a half. Romo has more YPA, a higher comp pct, and more TDs per attempt. Rodgers' per game avg is only 30 yds higher, not a difference between winning/losing. Given that 2 of Dallas' losses came with Romo out of the game either entirely or at least half, Romo's win % is higher.
Roflsberger has Bell (2nd best RB this year) and Brown (top 5 wideout also). The Pitt D and Dallas D are comparable statistically. I see the argument, but the difference is Big Ben hasn't been doing all this with fractures in his back, busted ribs, etc.
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
I just can't wait to see what happens with the Bears.
See how extreme they go in the next few weeks.
See how extreme they go in the next few weeks.
Matt
Active Member
Aaron Rodgers deserves to win it this year. Romo is number 2 because he has less TD's and more picks, imo.
rms
Active Member
It seems like without Big Ben the Steelers would be way worse, is that true of the Cowboys? I guess I am torn between those two
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Good stuff Dak, you might have convinced me but unfortunately nobody will consider those stats, this award crap comes down to the poor eye test. People are going to keep suckin Rodgers balls and say how Murray and the Oline carried the team. The way it goes man, sorry. You persuaded one poor soul though
Every game Romo was either out hurt (Was/AZ) or played poor (SF/Philly #1) due to injury issues, Dallas has looked abysmal otherwise also, and was essentially blown out in 2 of the 4, even with Murray and that Oline in.
Lol thanks.
People usually get recognized after anyway. Romo would need to put together the same season or better next year to get recognized. The irony is, barring some new injury, it's more impressive this year, considering no one expected shit and he is banged up.
Murray is the best back on the team, but he may not be the best back in the league. Bell makes a strong case for it. But he isn't running behind that O-line, and Dallas is dedicated to running, Pittsburgh not as much.
Matt
Active Member
Yes, considering all the other statistics are extremely similar. Romo has a slightly better QBR and passer rating, but far less total yards, less touchdowns, and more turnovers.
Ok. He has less Yds and TDs partially because he has played in less games. 5 of his 8 INTs came in 2 games when he was definitely way less than 100%. This is why measures of efficiency (like TD per pass, YPA, etc) and multi metric systems like QBR and passer ratings are much better ways to compare than one or two single item stats. Having a "slightly better" QBR factors in a lot. And again, let's look at situational difference:
Given that despite total debacles against San Fran/Philly due to back health, and having dealt with that same back and ribs all year, Romo is in fact ahead of Rodgers on comprehensive metrics, why does Rodgers rate MVP? Shouldn't Rodgers be killing Romo, or at least ahead to some degree, given his health and supposed "mastery of the position"? Lets give it to Drew Brees amirite? Man might hit 5k yards again, and has as many TDs as Romo. Luck has more TDs and Yds.
Or we could stop just favoring a single item that is higher, partially due to time out for injury.
Given that despite total debacles against San Fran/Philly due to back health, and having dealt with that same back and ribs all year, Romo is in fact ahead of Rodgers on comprehensive metrics, why does Rodgers rate MVP? Shouldn't Rodgers be killing Romo, or at least ahead to some degree, given his health and supposed "mastery of the position"? Lets give it to Drew Brees amirite? Man might hit 5k yards again, and has as many TDs as Romo. Luck has more TDs and Yds.
Or we could stop just favoring a single item that is higher, partially due to time out for injury.
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