Nightingale-White Darkness Lyrical waste

Perhaps as an irreligious person, I am really missing the point here, so please forgive me if I am...

Why should a particular lyrical theme to a musical track influence what you listen to as a religious person?

Does the same restriction apply to other forms of art, be that film, literature, works of art?

Shouldn't a theme that is not in perfect harmony with your own established belief system allow you to reassess, examine and strengthen your viewpoint if you are secure in that?

If it is purely being put at risk of corruption from another perspective, too great a risk for one's mind, then would that not indicate serious flaws in the belief system?

It seems to me that with organised religion (my pet hate) it is all about control and being told what to think and do. It is for this reason that I (and I am sure many others) reject organised religion as the corrupt and controlling financial establishment that it very often is.
 
First off, can we all agree that we all have within in us, our hearts? Thought so!! We as humans are at war, within our hearts, spiritually. God has blessed all of us with "free will." Be that as it may, a relationship with God or not, is strictly a personal one. For Jesus, lives within our hearts, if we CHOOSE to let him reside there. And certainly there are those who choose not to let Jesus in. Hence, a spiritual war. We ALL must respect each others choices about what he/she believes, without being judgemental. I do however take issue with those who say, "you use God to help you through tough times, instead of relying on yourself." And, "If there is a God why does he let war, disease, famine, pedophiles, and murderers exist?" First, to be a Christian in this world takes courage. To accept God's will and to do what your heart tells you to, even in not understanding why or how. Christians are walking a narrow road, for there is not many on this road. Non-believers walk a huge high-way, containing all worldly materials, pleasures and possessions. That is their RIGHT, as is my RIGHT to walk the narrow path. Man has brought upon war, disease, famine, greed, corruption, murder etc etc NOT GOD!!!WE must look within ourselves to correct these atrocities. Another thing is that the Bible are God's words interpreted by man over 2000 years. How can anyone say with complete accuracy these words have not been misquoted and/or blatantly incorrect. We can't. That is where FAITH comes in. Simply put, believing in something you can not see, touch or feel. Hell is not burning in a Lake of Fire, Hell is complete separation from God for eternity. In this life realm we make choices using our "free will" We build ourselves spiritually into hopefully the best spirits we can become. When we die and move on to the next life realm, we will be judged and determining our spirtual "maturity" we will be placed with others spirits who are at the same level. And with continued growth be able to ascend to higher spiritual levels. Of course, this is my belief, and I'm NOT trying to get anyone to believe. That is YOUR choice. Lastly, Dan Swano is an artist/musician, who has every right to convey what he wants through his music and lyrics. You can agree or disagree. That is your right. However, my feelings are maybe Dan Swano shared a personal experience with us so that we may look at it and ascertain for OURSELVES what he may be trying to convey. Just maybe Dan is hoping to teach or show us something that he has gone through. To me, that takes courage and is a mark of a true artist with integrity. And we all have a choice, remember FREE WILL. Peace.


Thanks, for that magnificent factual paragraph Bloodsword. I was waiting for one rational piece of great input from this room and now I have it. Thanks So Much. I had to recognize that. Kenneth, you may be at a stage in your life where you think its ok to listen to this stuff. I guess Im guilty of that in the past too. But, Brother.. If I showed those lyrics to my Minister friend these days-He would say throw that in the trash immediately. This is man with not only Doctorates in Divinity and been in the church since childhood. Just trying to help man. I love the story of Swanos relationship, great stuff.
Stilgar, you can believe whatever you want to believe. This man on radio knows everything going on in the world in great accuracy like no other. If believing in only Gods word(The Bible) is narrow minded- in the judgement you referred to me as,. Then Bro you got me. Yes, I am narrow minded in that regard and proud of it. Jesus died for your sins too, and I hope you will use your own "free will" to accept him one day. Your free to beleive in Odin or whoever, but I would be sad because I know its not the way to Heaven. My life has completely changed and I finally have peace my friend. Before it was in turmoil as many on this planet full of sin. Its a life changing experience.
Thanks All! God Bless.

People like you make me angry. Not at your person, but at the thick fucking ideological wall that was probably built around you from when you were little. Enrages me what's been done to you.

Religion can be really fucking evil.

If you read some lyrics, and you feel it challenges your worldview, then you need to start thinking about the ideas you believe in. That's the world knocking at your door, letting you know that shit that's been put in your head doesn't really square with the reality that you live in.

You're not going to find divinity in the ideas of men. That's why we have to claim holy books are divinely inspired. They're still just stories, written by amateurs, to keep people like you in the cattle pens we call religion.
 
Perhaps as an irreligious person, I am really missing the point here, so please forgive me if I am...

Why should a particular lyrical theme to a musical track influence what you listen to as a religious person?

Does the same restriction apply to other forms of art, be that film, literature, works of art?

Shouldn't a theme that is not in perfect harmony with your own established belief system allow you to reassess, examine and strengthen your viewpoint if you are secure in that?

If it is purely being put at risk of corruption from another perspective, too great a risk for one's mind, then would that not indicate serious flaws in the belief system?

It seems to me that with organised religion (my pet hate) it is all about control and being told what to think and do. It is for this reason that I (and I am sure many others) reject organised religion as the corrupt and controlling financial establishment that it very often is.

well said
 
Naglfar: I still contend that belief is not evil or foolish, but that it is the blind belief and the unquestioning, closed-minded arrogance that is so destructive.
 
Naglfar: I still contend that belief is not evil or foolish, but that it is the blind belief and the unquestioning, closed-minded arrogance that is so destructive.

To be honest, I don't think that is the worst thing...

I think it is the hypocrisy. If people behaved in the way they claim to, then the world would be a much better place.

As I have said before, I have had many an enjoyable conversation about religion and associated subjects with you before... it is good to see that there are able minded people with a true interest in religion.

I have never understood why America is so religious though, it seems to cause massive conflict for fans of rock and metal there...
 
If as you say, the issue is hypocrisy, which I am also in agreement with you about, then I declare that the majority of America are not religious, they're just pretending to be.
 
People like you make me angry. Not at your person, but at the thick fucking ideological wall that was probably built around you from when you were little. Enrages me what's been done to you.

Religion can be really fucking evil.

If you read some lyrics, and you feel it challenges your worldview, then you need to start thinking about the ideas you believe in. That's the world knocking at your door, letting you know that shit that's been put in your head doesn't really square with the reality that you live in.

You're not going to find divinity in the ideas of men. That's why we have to claim holy books are divinely inspired. They're still just stories, written by amateurs, to keep people like you in the cattle pens we call religion.
Whoa!! friend. My intention was not to anger anyone. Relax. I have always thought for myself and never have conformed to others thinking or teaching. Ther is NO "idealogical wall built around me. I was raised Catholic and that doctrine was strongly preached to me. I am not talking about "religion." I'm referring to a "personal" relationship with Jesus. I know those who go to church every Sunday, when leaving could'nt tell you anything about what occurred during the Mass. They are there to be seen by their neighbors, to model their new dresses and suits, and to show off a new truck. Religion is flawed. And I DO NOT participate in that man-made structure. I'm 51 yrs old now and my personal relationship with Jesus has taken me on a "personal" journey. My value systems, my faith and belief system are all owed to God. God, I believe communicates to us through our hearts. It is up to us to listen. Jesus will knock, and you will either open the door or not. That is your "free will" choice. The years have taken me on many spiritual investigations. All I"m saying is this is what "works" for me. I have reached a point where I'm not looking at this World anymore, I'm looking towards Eternity and the next realm. And trying to to the best I can while I'm here. Are you going to be the one to lift open the "cattle pen" so I can get out. Listen. With all due respect, I don't need your help. What would please me is for you to take a long look at yourself. You never know what you might find. Peace.
 
we're all civil here
anyway the hypocrisy and the blind faith are linked
I personally regard them as one because the hypocrisy is a result of following religious leaders blindly and eventually end up contredicting yourself as did that dumb leader who dragged thousends down with him into the hypocrisy pit.

there is one good thing about hypocrisy though and that's Peter Tägtgren;)
 
If you want even harder "godbashing" learn Swedish and download some of my songs :rolleyes: I´m a bit suprised. Dan is most famous for Deathmetal.
I can´t hear what DM singers sings about but my impression is that it´s not about love for god :lol:
Lightnen up...talk about my underpants instead, that´s more important than god and as far as i know they never killed anybody in their name ( not even unwahsed ):lol:
 
Whoa!! friend. My intention was not to anger anyone. Relax. I have always thought for myself and never have conformed to others thinking or teaching. Ther is NO "idealogical wall built around me. I was raised Catholic and that doctrine was strongly preached to me. I am not talking about "religion." I'm referring to a "personal" relationship with Jesus. I know those who go to church every Sunday, when leaving could'nt tell you anything about what occurred during the Mass. They are there to be seen by their neighbors, to model their new dresses and suits, and to show off a new truck. Religion is flawed. And I DO NOT participate in that man-made structure. I'm 51 yrs old now and my personal relationship with Jesus has taken me on a "personal" journey. My value systems, my faith and belief system are all owed to God. God, I believe communicates to us through our hearts. It is up to us to listen. Jesus will knock, and you will either open the door or not. That is your "free will" choice. The years have taken me on many spiritual investigations. All I"m saying is this is what "works" for me. I have reached a point where I'm not looking at this World anymore, I'm looking towards Eternity and the next realm. And trying to to the best I can while I'm here. Are you going to be the one to lift open the "cattle pen" so I can get out. Listen. With all due respect, I don't need your help. What would please me is for you to take a long look at yourself. You never know what you might find. Peace.

lol buddy, I quoted gar, not you =) I didn't have a problem with what you said ^^

I don't have a problem with spiritual people. I do with organized religion, especially Evangelical, or alternatively, fundamentalist variations that heavily enforce thinking and behavior. Which is why I refer to cattle pens.

Edit: Gar's quote thing broke, so when I hit quote it also included the part you wrote that he was trying to quote
 
If you want even harder "godbashing" learn Swedish and download some of my songs :rolleyes: I´m a bit suprised. Dan is most famous for Deathmetal.
I can´t hear what DM singers sings about but my impression is that it´s not about love for god :lol:
Lightnen up...talk about my underpants instead, that´s more important than god and as far as i know they never killed anybody in their name ( not even unwahsed ):lol:

Do you wear women's underpants, Dag? I bet if you wore a see-thru front / thong behind, it would look sexy on you!
 
>>>People like you make me angry. Not at your person, but at the thick fucking ideological wall that was probably built around you from when you were little. Enrages me what's been done to you.

Religion can be really fucking evil.

If you read some lyrics, and you feel it challenges your worldview, then you need to start thinking about the ideas you believe in. That's the world knocking at your door, letting you know that shit that's been put in your head doesn't really square with the reality that you live in.

You're not going to find divinity in the ideas of men. That's why we have to claim holy books are divinely inspired. They're still just stories, written by amateurs, to keep people like you in the cattle pens we call religion<<<


~~ I feel you are are angry about religion, but I dont think its for the right reason. I will close on this:

A few years ago I started taking Christianity more seriously in my life. It changed my life. More things have opended up. Its not until you are serious that things will start happening for you. If you are just casual and just call yourself Christian. Hey, life is gonna be the same. Theres no such thing as a casual Chrsitian listening to Death metal and giving glory to guts and death. I used to listen to it all, but I recognized it was gut check time. The world is full of despair-Jesus died for us. He doesnt want us soaking this in. If you dont beleive Jesus was real, theres plenty of research to show he was my friend. You gotta look.

No, you will not find divinity in the ideas of men, correct. That only comes from God. If you will do research on the Bible, Koran etc.. A wise person would choose the Bible for various reasons. The only one divinely inspired is the Bible. It logically fits together after years of collecting data all around the world. If you look at prophecy, there are many things fulfilled already and tells of things to come. Religion is lunacy, Im not talking about religion. Islam has taken bits and pieces of the bible and included it in their book. It was written AFTER THE BIBLE! It doesnt taka genious to research this stuff. So, its all up to you. Dont listen to me or Kenneth or anyone just use your common sense and research or your just cheating yourself.

Peace Brother