Now building Load-boxes with variable line out.

Here are the demos.

With Loabox's line out:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1170463/Loadbox Demos/Loadbox After.mp3

With FX send:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1170463/Loadbox Demos/Loadbox Before.mp3

Guitars only line out:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1170463/Loadbox Demos/Guitars After.mp3

Guitars only FX send:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1170463/Loadbox Demos/Guitars Before.mp3

*equipment used was a 5150 with typical settings, post gain at 4.5 and the speaker saturation was set to full*

The guitars with the loadbox are a little too dark because with most impulses tube power sections are used which means the overall tone is being colored by a power amp twice. So to combat that I will be releasing Solid State power amp impulses for sale by the end of the week if all goes to plan. Solid State impulses will also work better for those using amp sims with power amp simulation.
 
viralz said:
Wow the line out clips sound so much better then the FX send.
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I knew the out clips would sound better, but I was personally shocked when I heard the difference. Just goes to show you how much a power amp goes into making an amp sound the way it does.

Also a promo picture for the first loadbox:

Loadbox.jpg
 
Looks very very good, great work ! :worship:
The samples sounds great too, and the saturation knob is a great idea.

Were you bound to tweak the amp with a lot less hi end than you do with a real cab ? Because that's what I noticed with my actual setup, the high end is very upfront / harsh and I need to tweak the high / presence very low on the amp.
I'm very tempted to buy one to compare it to my actual setup,
Any idea on how it will cost to ship to France ?
 
TRUIE said:
Looks very very good, great work ! :worship:
The samples sounds great too, and the saturation knob is a great idea.

Were you bound to tweak the amp with a lot less hi end than you do with a real cab ? Because that's what I noticed with my actual setup, the high end is very upfront / harsh and I need to tweak the high / presence very low on the amp.
I'm very tempted to buy one to compare it to my actual setup,
Any idea on how it will cost to ship to France ?
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Actually the clips are with the same settngs. The post power amp signal is much darker (and should be). I would find it hard that post power amp would actually sounds brighter.

It is $145 USD to ship out to Paris. The fact that the loabox cost $160 with the speaker saturation mod, well that is why some amps/products are really expensive in to the export market. The final price after fees would be $321 USD or 264 Euros.
 
For the high end thing, I wasn't comparing preamp out VS poweramp out.
I just noticed that when recording the poweramp out of an amp with a DI + loadbox (no matter the IR you use after), the high end is very prominent comparing to playing the amp in a room, with a real cab.
To avoid that, I have to dial the amp in an unnatural way with way less gain / presence.

$130 USD
+Speaker Saturation Mod $160 USD
+Shipping and Customs (email for a detailed quote)
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It is $145 USD to ship out to Paris. The fact that the loabox cost $160 with the speaker saturation mod, well that is why some amps/products are really expensive in to the export market. The final price after fees would be $321 USD or 264 Euros.
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So 160$ + 145$ shipping = 305$
Where are the additional 16$ coming from ?
Anyway, the final price is very expensive for what it's worth, so I'll have to do without your unit (not saying it's your fault, it's just the shipping that's almost doubling the total price).
 
TRUIE said:
For the high end thing, I wasn't comparing preamp out VS poweramp out.
I just noticed that when recording the poweramp out of an amp with a DI + loadbox (no matter the IR you use after), the high end is very prominent comparing to playing the amp in a room, with a real cab.
To avoid that, I have to dial the amp in an unnatural way with way less gain / presence.
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Its quite the opposite still, even with the presence all the way up the tone lacked quite a bit of everything above 10KHz. I did say this was because IRs have poweramp coloration in them, that's why I will be making impulses...which I may start working on right now.

I think you are getting brighter tones due to an impedance mismatch with the DI. I had that problem when trying to reamp with my DI and its totally unavoidable, but it is a sign that the DI was not made for what it is being used as. This is why I made the loadbox to begin with, to deal with the little inconsistencies and electrically incorrectness with the current solutions.

TRUIE said:
So 160$ + 145$ shipping = 305$
Where are the additional 16$ coming from ?
Anyway, the final price is very expensive for what it's worth, so I'll have to do without your unit (not saying it's your fault, it's just the shipping that's almost doubling the total price).
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Small mark up dealing with fees by doing business online, I split the charges half and half (I pay the other $16).
 
I'm actually really confused as to how it costs $145 to ship a pedal-sized box to Paris? I just shipped a laptop battery and RAM to the UK for $13 and it got there in less than week. $145 is insane.
 
I don't know man. I got a quote to ship to Toronto at about $25 online, but when I went in to my local pickup, was given a quote of $46 for a 5 day and $150 for a 2 day. My last shipment, to Galveston TX was $23. Maybe the actual price to Paris may be less, but from experience, it may be way more. I don't quite get it myself. On both UPS and Fedex they have a generic quote chart that shows anything under 5lbs anywhere for the most part in the US at ~$7. I should try a direct pickup.
 
Don't even bother with UPS or FedEx for international, USPS is your best bet. Their medium-sized flat-rate box will fit your units fine and ship to the EU for about $50, or you can use your own packaging and do it via first-class for closer to $15 or $20.

I'd ditch UPS and FedEx in general for the smaller stuff. The medium flat-rate box ships anywhere in the US for $15.
 
Thanks for the explanation on the fees.
And I agree with Jeff, I think you can find a better service to ship at lower costs.

TheWinterSnow said:
Its quite the opposite still, even with the presence all the way up the tone lacked quite a bit of everything above 10KHz. I did say this was because IRs have poweramp coloration in them, that's why I will be making impulses...which I may start working on right now.

I think you are getting brighter tones due to an impedance mismatch with the DI. I had that problem when trying to reamp with my DI and its totally unavoidable, but it is a sign that the DI was not made for what it is being used as. This is why I made the loadbox to begin with, to deal with the little inconsistencies and electrically incorrectness with the current solutions.
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I don't know... I use a Countryman Type85 DI, which I think is especially made for that.
I had the same "problem" with an Avalon U5, so I'm not sure it's a gear issue.

I remember reading a post where Ermz seems to have the same problem :
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/backline/794690-recabinet-3-1-1-now-speaker-dynamics-3.html#post10323009
 
TRUIE said:
I don't know... I use a Countryman Type85 DI, which I think is especially made for that.
I had the same "problem" with an Avalon U5, so I'm not sure it's a gear issue.

I remember reading a post where Ermz seems to have the same problem :
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/backline/794690-recabinet-3-1-1-now-speaker-dynamics-3.html#post10323009
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It has to do with something in the chain no being linear in frequency response, either by design error or indeed an impedance mismatch in the DI chain. Since I don't know the details of the specs on the DI + preamp method, I cannot really comment on the issue, but what I do know is even if the DI is made for handling high powered amplifiers, it is still not a very good design and topology. All I know is when I tested my loadbox it did not have this problem, the tone sounded the same as it was mic'd.
 
Again, thanks a lot for the explanation.
And sorry to going a bit off-topic, but it's hard to find accurate informations about this, as I think it's still not common practice to record speaker outputs, and there's not a lot of high end / accurate products on the market just for that purpose.

I already own a good loadbox (TubeTown Tonehound), great neutral IR's (Torpedo PI-101 and Recabinet 3.0, both created with a clean solid state preamp), but I'm still not satisfied with the tone I get out of my speaker out when recorded direct.
I'm still very curious about your product, and I'd really LOVE to try it and hear if it's an improvement.
Do you think it's possible to ship to Europe at a lower cost ?
 
TRUIE said:
I think it's still not common practice to record speaker outputs, and there's not a lot of high end / accurate products on the market just for that purpose.
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This was exactly why I made the loadbox, there is a huge gap that I think could be filled. Obviously there are a lot of people who want to use their real tube amp (people who don't like amp sims) who can't record at home due to volume constraints that want to get the most accurate sound of micing their amp in the studio. Maybe I am wrong and their isn't a market, maybe free amp sims are doing what those people need and I am beating a dead horse, who knows.

TRUIE said:
I already own a good loadbox (TubeTown Tonehound), great neutral IR's (Torpedo PI-101 and Recabinet 3.0, both created with a clean solid state preamp), but I'm still not satisfied with the tone I get out of my speaker out when recorded direct.
I'm still very curious about your product, and I'd really LOVE to try it and hear if it's an improvement.
Do you think it's possible to ship to Europe at a lower cost ?
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I will try to get real quotes for all carriers. Hopefully if Jeff is right I can get standard mail for really cheap.
 
Exactly, and that's what Two Notes Engineering understood when puting out the VB-101, and then the Live... but it's an all-in-one solution, high-end loadbox + line out + converters + miking algorithms, and I don't need all of these as I own already most parts of the chain.
I'm certainly not the only one in this situation.
So I don't think you're taking the wrong way at all with your product !

Just let me know for the shipping thing when done, and I'll gladly order one if it stays reasonable.
 
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