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So I guess my question then becomes, why do people blindly attack religion with bits such as "the religious people vs. the sane people" and the like? I can quote from my own personal experience that I have gone through many facets of religion. I was brought up Catholic, with all the repression and guilt that goes along with it. Growing up in the '80's, I was affronted by the blindness of certain televangelists who made blind claims of devil worship in music, even going so far as to put the members of Journey on their list. Like many others on this list, I rejected religion and thought myself to be an "atheist". I can best describe that part of my life as empty. Since I met my wife, who is a strong Christian, I have allowed God back into my life. Not blindly and automatically - I've still had my fights over my previous experiences; however, I can say that my life is much more "full" now than it has ever been, and I thank my wife constantly for righting my ship. Am I a religious zealot? Far from it, and don't treat me as such. I can say that I regard myself as principled person though, and my opinions are asserted through my principles, not "blind" beliefs.

In my opinion, any belief of the existance of a "god" is irrational and illogical. A blind assumption as you have no evidence of "its" existance. Whereas there are thousands of facts that cause doubt over the existance of a "god" and many of that doubt causing information comes from the words of the bible itself.

Religion, in all its forms, is the most succesful lie known to man.

A Placebo of the mind, it isn't benefiting anyone in any way, it just makes people think their life is "full" because of it.

The only practical effect I see religion having on the world is causing war, violence and death.
 
I think I brought this up sometime ago but, the most complex machine humans have ever built will be finished in a few weeks. The Large Hydron Collider. Just read about a few of the potential (and awesome!) ways in which it can kill us.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/

Speaking of large complex machines I watched a documentary on the fusion reactor they're working with over in Europe the other day, crazy stuff.
 
To the people who are dead-set for or against it: what makes you rationalize your decision that you feel it is not only acceptable, but imperative that your views be impressed upon the legal environment of everyone else? How is your opinion more valid than theirs, that they are denied the choice to rule on the issue themselves?

My entire position here is that no single person can rule decisively over all the others on something like this. We don't have the authority. We shouldn't have it either.
 
In my opinion, any belief of the existance of a "god" is irrational and illogical. A blind assumption as you have no evidence of "its" existance. Whereas there are thousands of facts that cause doubt over the existance of a "god" and many of that doubt causing information comes from the words of the bible itself.

Religion, in all its forms, is the most succesful lie known to man.

A Placebo of the mind, it isn't benefiting anyone in any way, it just makes people think their life is "full" because of it.

The only practical effect I see religion having on the world is causing war, violence and death.

Ok, I agree with you but I would like to add some things.

If you look at every group of humans that has ever lived, they all share in the belief in a creator of higher intelligence. Almost every single one, without exception. This leads me to think that most humans have some sort psychological predisposition to believe in things like this. Just a thought though.

I was always puzzled when my friend would tell me how much believing in god (The Christian one) has made his life better and have much more meaning. I don't understand how trying to please the unknowable makes life better. I feel so fortunate to be alive and to able to pursue things that have made it worth living. Music, science, reading, family etc. The odds of being here in the first place are so small and to be able to experience life and its ups and downs is a great thing.

There are a billion billion stars in the known universe. To think that we are at the helm of it's existence is just absurd to me. I don't buy that a creator, who is supposedly responsible for black holes, stars, star collapses and supernovas, cares about what you wear, what you eat and what you say in prayer or if you get that job promotion.

I'm sick of saying this but again, I am completely fine with religion. Whatever works for you is fine by me. However, in recent years I have become very angry with things such as:

Creationism. Scientists have already proven that it is false. All of the arguments presented in its favor have been shown to be wrong. All of them. Every single one! Because a majority of the American population is Christian, they automatically think that creationism is a viable alternative to evolution. It is not! It is nothing more than a political move to get religion in public schools. Read a book on how elegant (and verifiable!) evolution is. It's simply astounding the amount of evidence in favor of evolution.

Violent Islam. Do I need to say more?

The wars and violence going on right now over religion. People need to learn how to respect one another and just talk things over. Dammit!
 
Originally Posted by Swabs
In my opinion, any belief of the existance of a "god" is irrational and illogical. A blind assumption as you have no evidence of "its" existance. Whereas there are thousands of facts that cause doubt over the existance of a "god" and many of that doubt causing information comes from the words of the bible itself.

sooo, i define god as whatever energy or force life and existence started at. a definition of god is specific to each individual person. to say that god doesn't exist is to say that opinions are wrong. there is NO proof anywhere that there is or isn't a god. the closest thing we have is the fact that there is existence. so to say that it didn't start somewhere is very had to do. if you want to say that a religions image of god doesn't exist, than by all means do. otherwise, think twice before you think things that are so extreme. to argue the existence of jesus or miracles is ok. but god is undefined.

Religion, in all its forms, is the most succesful lie known to man.

yes organized religion and dogma are quite interesting in this way. but the only reson i agree with you s because i know that no two people will EVER have the same beliefs. therefor organized religions with uniform beliefs are impossible.

A Placebo of the mind, it isn't benefiting anyone in any way, it just makes people think their life is "full" because of it.
you just said "it isn't benefitting anyone" followed by "it makes people think their life is full" prooving yourself wrong. there are plus sides to religion friend. they all have roots in strong morales and loving your neighbor. it's how it gets carried out tht is sketchy. it's when things get ddep in gogma that people die. everyday religios life is ok.... as long as extremists stay away.

The only practical effect I see religion having on the world is causing war, violence and death.

unfortunately, your views are just as extreme and dangerous as theirs. you need to take a better look at the plus side of religion.

i don't belong to any religion, and i will not deffend them in most cases, but you are just too extreme to be healthy in this conversation.
 
Agreed. What do you all think about gay marriage?



Just kidding.:lol:

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I think I brought this up sometime ago but, the most complex machine humans have ever built will be finished in a few weeks. The Large Hydron Collider. Just read about a few of the potential (and awesome!) ways in which it can kill us.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/

Thanks for the links, I'd heard some vague discussion about this thing a while back & never did learn more..off to check these sites out now.
 
The furthest human-built *anything* in the universe - the voyager 2 space probe, carries on it a golden LP. that's right. records in space. it's leaving our solar system, which is amazing because we will finally see if we are correct about the mechanics of solar wind and magnetic shields.
 
The furthest human-built *anything* in the universe - the voyager 2 space probe, carries on it a golden LP. that's right. records in space. it's leaving our solar system, which is amazing because we will finally see if we are correct about the mechanics of solar wind and magnetic shields.

I have always wondered whether or not that was such a good idea. The most intelligent animals are predators. There is a huge possibility that this would be the case with extraterrestrial life.
 
Well, considering the technology, they would either find us easy prey or not even worthy. I also find it interesting that people who credit aliens may in the same breath discredit the existence of a god.
 
Noble Savage - I'm eagerly awaiting the day the LHC goes online and the cool stuff we're going to find out from it. Yes, I'm a total geek, but I'm going to be glued to my computer and every science/physics/cosmology website for the next week.
 
Well, considering the technology, they would either find us easy prey or not even worthy. I also find it interesting that people who credit aliens may in the same breath discredit the existence of a god.

Well, I never said I believe there are aliens. Until the day someone produces undeniable proof of their existence, I will remain an interested skeptic. It has been found, by a group of Japanese scientists I think, that organic proteins are formed from ejected byproducts of the Sun in our atmosphere (I'll see if I can find more info, it was pretty interesting). It's not life but very close. As I said, there are over a billion billion stars and statistically it seems viable that something like this could happen on a few occasions. Extremophiles can even rule out the notion that temperatures have to be in the range in which we consider comfortable.

I don't believe in a supernatural creator because there is no evidence for it. I will always leave the possibility open though. :)
 
Noble Savage - I'm eagerly awaiting the day the LHC goes online and the cool stuff we're going to find out from it. Yes, I'm a total geek, but I'm going to be glued to my computer and every science/physics/cosmology website for the next week.

:kickass: You and I both. However, I think it takes a while to analyze the mountains of data. Lets hope for Kaluza-Klein particles. I'm most curious about extra/parallel dimensions and string theory.:)
 
Well, I never said I believe there are aliens. Until the day someone produces undeniable proof of their existence, I will remain an interested skeptic. It has been found, by a group of Japanese scientists I think, that organic proteins are formed from ejected byproducts of the Sun in our atmosphere (I'll see if I can find more info, it was pretty interesting). It's not life but very close. As I said, there are over a billion billion stars and statistically it seems viable that something like this could happen on a few occasions. Extremophiles can even rule out the notion that temperatures have to be in the range in which we consider comfortable.

I don't believe in a supernatural creator because there is no evidence for it. I will always leave the possibility open though. :)
I see no distinction between the evidence you choose to allow to suggest the possibility of aliens and the evidence a believer would present for the possibility of god. Neither is undeniable proof.
 
It has been found, by a group of Japanese scientists I think, that organic proteins are formed from ejected byproducts of the Sun in our atmosphere

so, you're saying the sun is god?

I see no distinction between the evidence you choose to allow to suggest the possibility of aliens and the evidence a believer would present for the possibility of god. Neither is undeniable proof.

the difference is that he thinks one planet's beings can be created by a big ball of flaming energy, but he doesn't think a complex world of thriving systems cannot have been created by such an energy.
 
I see no distinction between the evidence you choose to allow to suggest the possibility of aliens and the evidence a believer would present for the possibility of god. Neither is undeniable proof.

Well, what I gave was an observable mechanism by which life can form. It has been documented. God, and the mechanisms by which it supposedly works, has never been documented or observed (Nor is it required in the least bit to explain our existence). How does what we see show no distinction between what we cannot? That really doesn't make sense.
 
so, you're saying the sun is god?



the difference is that he thinks one planet's beings can be created by a big ball of flaming energy, but he doesn't think a complex world of thriving systems cannot have been created by such an energy.

1) Yes:lol:

2) All it takes is an initial spark of life to create complex life forms. I don't quite understand what you meant by this though.:)