OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ...

[The Ozzman]

He doesn't deserve 15 years.

A few years, maybe if jailtime were really warranted.

 

[waif]

A couple, and some counseling.

 

[rms]

Because it was a fucking cat.

Don't police get profiles of mass murderers based on if they tortured animals as a child? Isn't this a huge warning sign? Or is he like "dude it's just a cat it doesn't matter if I rape it and torture it...it's just a cat". If you can torture ANYTHING that can show pain(whelping or w/e) you are seriously messed up and I will defitenely say that you are going to hurt more living things in your lifetime.

 

[rms]

Yes, exactly.

So why do we have prisons, why don't we just have massive psych wards?

 

[mutantllama]

Don't police get profiles of mass murderers based on if they tortured animals as a child? Isn't this a huge warning sign? Or is he like "dude it's just a cat it doesn't matter if I rape it and torture it...it's just a cat". If you can torture ANYTHING that can show pain(whelping or w/e) you are seriously messed up and I will defitenely say that you are going to hurt more living things in your lifetime.

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[waif]

Don't police get profiles of mass murderers based on if they tortured animals as a child? Isn't this a huge warning sign? Or is he like "dude it's just a cat it doesn't matter if I rape it and torture it...it's just a cat". If you can torture ANYTHING that can show pain(whelping or w/e) you are seriously messed up and I will defitenely say that you are going to hurt more living things in your lifetime.

Remember that bit about how "you can't sentence someone based on what they might do?" The American justice system is built on the principal that people are innocent until proven guilty.

So why do we have prisons, why don't we just have massive psych wards?

Not a bad question.

 

[The Ozzman]

So why do we have prisons, why don't we just have massive psych wards?

Some people can't be rehabilitated, which is probably why there aren't more of them.

 

[rms]

Remember that bit about how "you can't sentence someone based on what they might do?" The American justice system is built on the principal that people are innocent until proven guilty.

If you were the judge and you had 2 cases same end result. One guy 1 day found a cat raped it and tortured it to death. Extremely simple but this gets my point across imho, and the 2nd case, this guy had a cat for over a year in his basement raped daily and tortured it often and someone found out about what was going on. Do you think both cases deserve the same jail time or is it just because it's a cat it's on the same level playing field?

edit;

and you're totally confusing sentencing someone of a crime and charging. Get it right dood.

 

[cookiecutter]

How do you get 15 years in prison for raping a fucking cat?

I disagree with the sentence but cruelty towards animals is usually a sign for serious problems that could lead to violence against people. I think treatment would be a better option than punishment in this case.

 

[The Ozzman]

I disagree with the sentence but cruelty towards animals is usually a sign for serious problems that could lead to violence against people. I think treatment would be a better option than punishment in this case.

That's what we've been debating in this thread and I agree with you.

 

[waif]

If you were the judge and you had 2 cases same end result. One guy 1 day found a cat raped it and tortured it to death. Extremely simple but this gets my point across imho, and the 2nd case, this guy had a cat for over a year in his basement raped daily and tortured it often and someone found out about what was going on. Do you think both cases deserve the same jail time or is it just because it's a cat it's on the same level playing field?

ffs...
Obviously they're different cases.
However, neither deserve 15 years in jail.

I disagree with the sentence but cruelty towards animals is usually a sign for serious problems that could lead to violence against people. I think treatment would be a better option than punishment in this case.

Thank you.


Everyone realizes that there's no way in hell this kid's getting 15 years, right?

 

[The Ozzman]

Yeah, I said a fine and some counseling

 

[Mort Divine]

Remember that bit about how "you can't sentence someone based on what they might do?"

Actually, we do charge people with conspiracy to commit a crime so ... you can sentence someone based upon what they might have done.

 

[The Ozzman]

That isn't based solely on what they might have done, though. It's based on the premise that they knew that something was going to happen and they didn't do anything to stop it.

Say you and I are walking down the street and we randomly start joking about how we're going to rob the nearest convenience store or something. If no one does anything afterwards, then no one is liable for anything. However, say I were to rob it the day after I was talking to you about it, you would be charged with 'Conspiracy to Commit Robbery' if they found out about our conversation

In the criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between natural persons to break the law at some time in the future, and, in some cases, with at least one overt act in furtherance of that agreement. There is no limit on the number participating in the conspiracy and, in most countries, no requirement that any steps have been taken to put the plan into effect (compare attempts which require proximity to the full offence). For the purposes of concurrence, the actus reus is a continuing one and parties may join "the plot" later and incur joint liability and conspiracy can be charged where the co-conspirators have been acquitted and/or cannot be traced. Finally, repentance by one or more parties does not affect liability but may reduce their sentence.

 

[rms]

ffs...
Obviously they're different cases.
However, neither deserve 15 years in jail.

don't dodge the question homo

 

[cookiecutter]

Yeah but a conspiracy is an explicit to do something whereas this is more of a higher statistical likelihood.

 

[~Neurotica]

At least he'll have time to realize what an utter piece of shit he is.

 

[genocide roach]

poor cat. thats seriously messed up

but they seriously charged him for sodomy? wtf?!
~gR~

 

[Mort Divine]

poor cat. thats seriously messed up

but they seriously charged him for sodomy? wtf?!
~gR~

Yeah, that is why it is possible for him to get so many years in prison.

Michigan

* Statute: 750.158, Crime Against Nature. Unconstitutional under Lawrence v. Texas.
* Penalty: 15 years
* Classification: Felony
* Restrictions: None

Statute

750.158 Crime against nature or sodomy; penalty. [M.S.A. 28.355]

Sec.158. Any person who shall commit the abominable and detestable crime against nature either with mankind or with any animal shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 15 years, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.

History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;--CL 1948, 750.158 ;--Am. 1952, Act 73, Eff. Sept. 18, 1952.

Former Law: See section 16 of Ch. 158 of R.S. 1846, being CL 1857, § 5871; CL 1871, § 7706; How., § 9292; CL 1897, § 11705; CL 1915, § 15479; CL 1929, § 16831; and Act 57 of 1923.

750.159 Emission need not be proved. [M.S.A. 28.356e]

Sec.159. In any prosecution for sodomy, it shall not be necessary to prove emission, and any sexual penetration, however slight, shall be deemed sufficient to complete the crime specified in the next preceding section.

History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;--CL 1948, 750.159 ;--Am. 1952, Act 73, Eff. Sept. 18, 1952.
750.338 Gross indecency; between male persons.

Sec. 338. Any male person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of any act of gross indecency with another male person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.
750.338a Gross indecency; female persons.

Sec. 338a. Any female person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of, or any person who procures or attempts to procure the commission by any female person of any act of gross indecency with another female person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.
750.338b Gross indecency; between male and female persons.

Sec. 338b. Any male person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of any act of gross indecency with a female person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable as provided in this section. Any female person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of any act of gross indecency with a male person shall be guilty of a felony punishable as provided in this section. Any person who procures or attempts to procure the commission of any act of gross indecency by and between any male person and any female person shall be guilty of a felony punishable as provided in this section. Any person convicted of a felony as provided in this section shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.

 

[General Zaroff]

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