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lizard said:you guys always miss the point with IoftheStorm....he thrives on this stuff
Well yeah, that's actually obvious, but certain points still warrant mentioning.
Opeth Board - Did I Miss Something?
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Well yeah, that's actually obvious, but certain points still warrant mentioning.
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IOfTheSHITStorm said:
First, they've influenced plenty of bands. I know the singer for Beyond the Embrace personally and he has their logo tattoed on his arm for starters. Rapture, Solefald, Darkness Remains, hell even November's Doom are bands I've read that I would consider "GOOD" that have cited Opeth as influences.
Second, I was actually referring to their influence on their FANS in today's metal world, of which there are PLENTY, like it or not.
I couldn't listen to Opeth for a long time 'cause of the retarted fans. I got over it, though...
Erik
New Metal Member
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Crimson Velvet said:
I actually felt the same way about devout black metal fans in general for awhile. I got over that intolerant line of thinking as well and was introduced to tons of quality acts that I previously wouldn't have given a "first" thought to.
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IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Wow, Beyond the Embrace are Opeth diehards, thats a major sign of Opeth's major influence in todays metal indeed.Dark One said:
Rapture and Darkness Remains? Who are they? 2 more of the "UM make me exist and gives me substance" bands? Solefald are ok, and thinking that November's Doom exist so long before Opeth and i can hear 2343224 other things their music more than Opeth, only shows that they just like them, not getting influenced by them.Dark One said:
Even if i am wrong.. these bands doesnt make Opeth having a "major influence" on other bands, if it is then the term "major influence" is misunderstood.
Yes i could see the influence you are talking about when their forum was open. Worthy influence indeed. Of course the Opeth fans are plenty, that doesnt give any credit to the band on its own.
IoftheStorm: What I mean is, you throw out outrageous statements and you don't really seem to care if people get pissed off or not, and I've never in memory seen you back down, either.
I don't mean that you are trying to be an asshole, just that you have firm opinions and don't care if you are voted Mr. Congeniality
it's actually kind of entertaining.
I don't mean that you are trying to be an asshole, just that you have firm opinions and don't care if you are voted Mr. Congeniality
it's actually kind of entertaining.
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IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Uh, I was talking about the singer himself. I would call a tattoo an "influence" would you not? HELLOOOOOOO??????
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
They are two bands I consider "good".
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
You're the expert of course.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
It certainly could've been the case that I read November's Doom "like" them rather than are "influenced" by them. Nevertheless, I would at least call that a bit of "affirmation" from a "GOOD" band.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
You are never wrong. Your opinions are always facts, not opinions.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
And again, my initital post meant the fans.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Ah, so you read it then, even though you hate the band?
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Lizard: Thats not my purpose really (and when it is, its so obvious), even though i really dont care if someone gets pissed off if i say "opeth suck cocks in hell" , if he gets pissed off then its his fault really and he should go to a doctor.
But i would like the "tries to be an asshole" thing for me, even better "HE IS an asshole"
But i would like the "tries to be an asshole" thing for me, even better "HE IS an asshole"
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Erik said:
Yeah, I guess I see what you mean now when factoring in the band's longevity and everything. Like I said to our other dear friend, it could've very well been a case of "like" rather than "influence", which at least is some form of "respect/affirmation" by a generally well regarded band.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Read i again what i writeDark One said:
Well ok maybe the fact that only the singer is a diehard, cuts a little bit from their influence on todays metal, but it still stands strong.IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Dark One said:
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
My point is that things that people like YOU say about opeth, ("they have a major influence in metal world") is a great doze of the things that you think make other people hate them. You dont just say "Opeth kick ass man, fuck you if you dont like them" which i would totally accept, but you start praising some factual value that you think that Opeth have. Guess what, THEY DONT HAVE A FACTUAL VALUE.
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IOfTheSHITStorm said:
You mean wrote?
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
And again read what I "wrote". I never was trying to laud their influence on other bands when referring to the "metal world".
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
No, that's yet another time you refuse to acknowledge that I was not referring to "band influence".
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Yes, and that's everytime you post an opinion.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Another brilliant statement.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Way to save face.
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IOfTheStorm
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Sure. The world of metal rotates around Opeth, they are THE innovative and THE progressive metal band of our times. God give us more Opeths please. And more Opeth fans to have a laugh with.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I think the problem with IOfTheStorm is his approach. He's welcome to any opinion he likes, and he's welcome to express it with any attitude he wishes. But for the most part, this is a friendly, respectful board. His responses are typically over the top and unwarranted. Do we really need someone posting, "opeth suck this fair amount of cocks daily"? That's childish.lizard said:
In the long run, it only hurts him, as folks will begin to take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Zod
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IOfTheSHITStorm said:
Yep. You got it. Word for word that's precisely the sentiment I want to convey.
IOfTheSHITStorm said:
"With", not "at"?? Priceless.
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General Zod said:
Yep. And buried beneath all the venom he's spewing out I posted this - "Hey, if it's simply a matter of, 'I've heard them, given them a fair amount of listens and can't stand them', no problem whatsover."
If he wrote something like "Man oh man I truly hate these guys. I don't understand why so many people put them on such a pedastol." That's COMPLETELY his perogative. I have no problem with that opinion whatsoever.
But to dismiss (with extreme prejudice and venom) the FACT that they do have tons of fans that indeed place them on the proverbial pedastol and that they ARE a strong influence on today's metal fanbase is just denying reality. You can have any opinion you want, but people ARE going to talk about them.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Back on topic...
This disc is wierd. Not in a bad way. But Opeth have definitely gone in a different direction. They've mellowed, but not in a "we want to sell more CDs" kind of way. Their signature sound is still there and Mikael still has the best Death vox in Metal, but they've added elements to their sound in a way they never have previously. Mikael's clean vocals have also continued to improve. Keyboards are very much a factor, in a very 70s Prog sort of way, but without the Wilson vibe. I need some time to absorb all of it. But I suspect this disc may wind up as one of my favorite Opeth CDs.
Zod
This disc is wierd. Not in a bad way. But Opeth have definitely gone in a different direction. They've mellowed, but not in a "we want to sell more CDs" kind of way. Their signature sound is still there and Mikael still has the best Death vox in Metal, but they've added elements to their sound in a way they never have previously. Mikael's clean vocals have also continued to improve. Keyboards are very much a factor, in a very 70s Prog sort of way, but without the Wilson vibe. I need some time to absorb all of it. But I suspect this disc may wind up as one of my favorite Opeth CDs.
Zod
