Opeth rips/similarities

[madu]

Haha, I saw a Master's Apprentices album today.

Anyways, about 1 minute into Ulver's 'Bergtatt - Ind i Fjeldkamrene' is exactly like an acoustic part from Blackwater Park, I think it's from Funeral Portrait, but I'm not sure. Probably not a rip-off, since Ulver doesn't seem a very Mike-ish band.

 

[prowlergrig]

please enlighten us with your divine fanboy influence and wisdom. since obviously i dont know anything about this genre or the albums therein that mike would have been influenced by...and youre the obvious expert here.


but i wasnt claiming them to be fact anyway...thus the "COULD". :Smug:

haha, i just meant some of those are far-fetched... i mean, black sabbath didn't invent the orchid, and still life is a pretty common term. VDGG and SL might have inspired him, but so could the iron maiden song or who knows what else.
melinda is named after uriah heep's 'come away melinda' if i remember correctly.

sorry if i sounded like an asshole


and to prove my ultimate fanboyness, here's a list of lyrics mikael borrowed from comus' first utterance:
Down the leafy pathway (diana)
the baying of the hounds (diana)
my arms your hearse (drip drip)
virtuous shell (song to comus)
greet [..] with a hiss (the bite)
scrawny body (the bite)
haggard grin (the bite)
the noose is tied (the bite - yeah, this one is pretty common )

there may be more, see if you can spot any here
i find it remarkable that comus' first album has been such an influence to mikael; some of the best lyrics i've ever read (especially in conjunction with the music), and you can clearly see the influence in opeth's lyrics.
i hope some other fanboys find this interesting, i did

 

[annt]

Is the VDGG album 'still life' any good? I was thinkin about getting it...just cos of the connection...haha...although i know they're a great band

Yes it is! 5/5 in my book, but I'd recommend Pawn Hearts first, then Still Life, Godbluff, then the rest (starting with The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other).
VdGG rules.

 

[FUBAR]

Cheers annt, I'll check em out

 

[Black Rain]

We all know the GoP and Tool's Lateralus one.
Also there was a Sepultura one someone pointed out. Completely forgot it. Anyone else have any to share?

What...? Give me time marks or something to compare cause I don't see shit

 

[Black Rain]

Iced Earth rules...

no

 

[annt]

I have noticed that Opeth tends to rip its previous albums off quite a bit. This is quite interesting really. Here's a few examples:

Nectar 8:50-10:09 -> Demon of the Fall 2:17-3:08
Karma 1:02-1:57, 2:11-2:41 -> Godhead's Lament 2:55-3:36, 8:52-9:18
Serenity Painted Death 0:46-1:23 -> The Funeral Portrait 5:13-5:35 (Also notice the acoustic picking at the end of each lead!)
Deliverance 8:16-8:26 -> Windowpane 1:12-1:23 (Okay, this might be a bit far-fetched)

Haven't found the Orchid -> Morningrise, BWP -> Deliverance and Damnation -> GR connections yet

 

[prowlergrig]

also, the 'ugh' riff from spd -> the 'ugh' riff on harley forest

 

[Hoahmaru]

My Arms Your Hearse - Comus lyric
Benighted - Partial stolen intro from Camel
Still Life - COULD be a reference to the band of the same name or of VDGG
Amen Corner - Another Band
Blackwater Park - Another Band
Master's Apprentices - Another Band
Face of Melinda - COULD be named after Curved Air's song "Melinda"
Orchid - COULD be taken from the Sabbath song of the same name
Ending Credits - Structure and likeness COULD be from "the snow goose"
For Absent Friends - COULD be coined from the Genesis OR Gilgamesh song.
Baying Of The Hounds - Comus Lyric
Profundo Rosso - their tour shirt...Goblin OST from the italian horror film
Atonement - Supposedly inspired directly by a George Harrison sitar beatles track.

Still Life is also an Iron Madien song..
Face of Melinda come directly from Uriah Heep - Come Away Melinda


and do you know which Camel song is Benighted is from?

 

[Agalloch]

Ending Credits main riff was lifted from Lady Fantasy on the Mirage album. Listen to 0:47, not entirely the same riff, but the same idea.

 

[Ganza]

I have noticed that Opeth tends to rip its previous albums off quite a bit. This is quite interesting really. Here's a few examples:

Nectar 8:50-10:09 -> Demon of the Fall 2:17-3:08
Karma 1:02-1:57, 2:11-2:41 -> Godhead's Lament 2:55-3:36, 8:52-9:18
Serenity Painted Death 0:46-1:23 -> The Funeral Portrait 5:13-5:35 (Also notice the acoustic picking at the end of each lead!)
Deliverance 8:16-8:26 -> Windowpane 1:12-1:23 (Okay, this might be a bit far-fetched)

Haven't found the Orchid -> Morningrise, BWP -> Deliverance and Damnation -> GR connections yet

Wow annt, you have an amazing sense of melody. You're right, it is quite interesting how they rip off parts from their own older songs, but they do it in such a way that not only it is fitting but not really distinguishable as well.

Plus, every musician rips himself off, I mean I know I do it, and everybody probably does, check out "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Rape Me" by Nirvana and you'll have a great example of that.

 

[all_sins_undone]

I have noticed that Opeth tends to rip its previous albums off quite a bit. This is quite interesting really. Here's a few examples:

Nectar 8:50-10:09 -> Demon of the Fall 2:17-3:08
Karma 1:02-1:57, 2:11-2:41 -> Godhead's Lament 2:55-3:36, 8:52-9:18
Serenity Painted Death 0:46-1:23 -> The Funeral Portrait 5:13-5:35 (Also notice the acoustic picking at the end of each lead!)
Deliverance 8:16-8:26 -> Windowpane 1:12-1:23 (Okay, this might be a bit far-fetched)

Haven't found the Orchid -> Morningrise, BWP -> Deliverance and Damnation -> GR connections yet

very, very nice.

 

[NFU]

haha, i just meant some of those are far-fetched... i mean, black sabbath didn't invent the orchid, and still life is a pretty common term. VDGG and SL might have inspired him, but so could the iron maiden song or who knows what else.
melinda is named after uriah heep's 'come away melinda' if i remember correctly.

sorry if i sounded like an asshole


and to prove my ultimate fanboyness, here's a list of lyrics mikael borrowed from comus' first utterance:
Down the leafy pathway (diana)
the baying of the hounds (diana)
my arms your hearse (drip drip)
virtuous shell (song to comus)
greet [..] with a hiss (the bite)
scrawny body (the bite)
haggard grin (the bite)
the noose is tied (the bite - yeah, this one is pretty common )

there may be more, see if you can spot any here
i find it remarkable that comus' first album has been such an influence to mikael; some of the best lyrics i've ever read (especially in conjunction with the music), and you can clearly see the influence in opeth's lyrics.
i hope some other fanboys find this interesting, i did

i dont think the still life one is far fetched at all. considering the album cover is COVERED in pink orchids...and the font the band used is the same one Opeth used on the album "still life". a little TOO coincidental for me to believe its "far fetched" simply because you say so...when i know you dont even own the album.

 

[NFU]

Still Life is also an Iron Madien song..
Face of Melinda come directly from Uriah Heep - Come Away Melinda


and do you know which Camel song is Benighted is from?

yes..."never let go".

and face of melinda doesnt necessarily come "directly" from the uriah heep song. have you even heard the curved air song "melinda"? i didnt think so.

 

[Manbient]

then there was the time Opeth ripped me.

http://www.bumblelovesmusic.com/music/Mikey_Smith_-_Tiny_Graces.mp3

Tell me that doesn't sound like Hours Of Wealth.

 

[MasterOLightning]

I have noticed that Opeth tends to rip its previous albums off quite a bit. This is quite interesting really. Here's a few examples:

Nectar 8:50-10:09 -> Demon of the Fall 2:17-3:08
Karma 1:02-1:57, 2:11-2:41 -> Godhead's Lament 2:55-3:36, 8:52-9:18
Serenity Painted Death 0:46-1:23 -> The Funeral Portrait 5:13-5:35 (Also notice the acoustic picking at the end of each lead!)
Deliverance 8:16-8:26 -> Windowpane 1:12-1:23 (Okay, this might be a bit far-fetched)

Haven't found the Orchid -> Morningrise, BWP -> Deliverance and Damnation -> GR connections yet

I agree with these mostly. The Karma one is a bit of a stretch to my ears. The Nectar/Demon link is very apparent. I can't believe no one's said that before. I had noticed that one, but none of the others. Well done.

 

[Katabasis]

and face of melinda doesnt necessarily come "directly" from the uriah heep song. have you even heard the curved air song "melinda"? i didnt think so.

Maybe it doesn't come 'directly' from 'Come Away Melinda', but I know Mikael has said in interviews (well, in at least one) that the Melinda character from Still Life was inspired by said Uriah Heep track.

 

[prowlergrig]

^what he said.

my opinion about the still life title also came from an interview... and here's the quote:

Cool! I figure we should talk about the new album, Still Life. There's controversy about where you ripped the name from. The first thing people think of, but everyone hopes you didn't get it from, was the FATES WARNING live album last year.
I saw that. I got a mailing list from Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles and it had Fates Warning Still Life on it and I said 'Fuck!' I've never been into FATES WARNING. On the other hand there are so many albums out there called Still Life, and so many tracks too. We're just another one. They have it on an IRON MAIDEN album, the VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR, there was even a band called STILL LIFE in the 70s that released a self titled album. I really like the title though. It's a classic one.
The IRON MAIDEN song...
I can't say I wasn't influenced by that. I have that track in my head constantly! I've had that record for ages now. It wasn't like when I came up with the title that I thought nobody had ever used that name before.
Everybody thought they were onto something when somebody pulled out the VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR lyrics and they could have fit. That's it!
I have that album. It's no big deal. It's so common. Still Life is not hyper original. I might have gotten from there. The reason I picked that title is when I sent the lyrics to Travis Smith to do the cover art, I got the picture back from him and was looking at it on my computer and I thought 'Still Life. That's it!' It was the first thing I thought of. I was messing things up coming up with more complicated titles, but Still Life was what felt right.

i 'own' the still life mp3s.. does that count?
you may be right about melinda, but again, mike has said otherwise in interwiews.

i never claimed to be more knowledgeable than you, but everything i've said has a base, it's not 'because i say so' and i'm not trying to pick a fight...

 

[NFU]

^what he said.

my opinion about the still life title also came from an interview... and here's the quote:


i 'own' the still life mp3s.. does that count?
you may be right about melinda, but again, mike has said otherwise in interwiews.

i never claimed to be more knowledgeable than you, but everything i've said has a base, it's not 'because i say so' and i'm not trying to pick a fight...

again man, relax...its no big deal. whether or not i discovered opeth-other band references firstly or correctly really isnt important to me. i was just making assumptions based on what ive found over time.

 

[TheButcher]

The Beggining of "Closure" is a ripoff from the intro of Porcupine Tree "Last Chance To Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled"