i have an mpv over here in the uk-a 7 seater chrysler.it costs me the equivilant of $110 dollars to fill it up.fuel over here is between 6 and 7 dollars a gallon.
OT: GAS PRICES WHERE U ARE
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Wierd...It has actually went down by us. Dropped about 15-20 cents in the past 10 days or so. I think I seen it today for $2.73 for low grade this morning. I wonder why it's went down here and seems to have went up almost everywhere else? I know the State's attorney has had a bunch of meetings with the big wigs of the oil companies, but I really don't think that has much to do with it.
ElectricWiz said:
I'd love to take public transit to and from work. It simply does not exist here and isn't feasible for the population density. Denver's is great and getting better all the time. But that is the population center of the state.
Colorado is twice as big as England in square miles but has one tenth the population. Wyoming is about the same size as Colorado but one tenth the population of Colorado. Montana is about 50% larger than Colorado and about one fifth the population. I could go on and on with New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and several other states. And it still doesn't address the shipment of goods.
Ethanol is the perfect, renewable, low-tech solution, in my opinion. It would be too expensive for a lot of people to convert immediately but the reduction in demand for gasoline thanks to those that could afford to convert would cause the supply to go up and the prices to go down. It could also be implemented much quicker and more cost effectively than mass transit. It is already being implemented in the private sector where mass transit belongs completely to the government. A government that tends to be in the back pocket of the oil companies. My wish is to see the private ethanol producers get the support from the consumer and send the oil companies packing to India and China to sell their product. Imagine how that might change the face of the government. It really could get quite interesting.
Wheezer said:
Ethanol seems to be it. It can be done rather quickly too, from what I've seen about it. Brasil supposedly switched over to it in a little over three years!!! They only use about 5% of what the U.S. uses though.
You can make ethanol from almost anything I guess. Corn, Grass, I think I even seen something about using garbage to make it. That would solve two problems at once! The ball is finally rolling on this and maybe the high prices will turn out to be good thing down the road if we can be free from oil. One bad thing about ethanol is it gets less gas milage supposedly. You lose somewhere around 30%. That's why the price needs to be much lower than oil for it to work.
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SavaRon said:Ethanol seems to be it. It can be done rather quickly too, from what I've seen about it. Brasil supposedly switched over to it in a little over three years!!! They only use about 5% of what the U.S. uses though.
Some thoughts on the matter:
- Ethanol has been used in Brazil since late 70's (I was there at the time and Petrobras was already using mixtures gasoline/alcohol)
- Ethanol can be made indeed from lots os sources than have sugars in abundance since is the product of sugar fermentation. Thus is not derived from petroleum and it's enviromentally friendly.
- Since ethanol is an oxygenated molecule it burns cleaner than gasoline. One more reason to add to fuel instead of MTBE or in exchange for petrol based fuels.
- Ethanol normally comes with 5% water which will lower/damage conventional engines, so either a techical modification must be reached or the alcohol mustr be dehydrated which will increase its cost and production.
- Another thing coming is biodiesel, which is a complex oil mixture that resembles diesel but again it doesn't comes from petroleum. Biodiesel comes from modification of natural vegetable based oil including used vegetable oils (the joke going on is that the exhaust gases smell like french fries )
One thing is for sure: economically, politically and enviromentally oil have to go!
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sumairetsu
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Some cars are already out here in California that do run on Biodiesel. Biodiesel can be obtained cheaply from, of all places, fast food restaurants as the cooking oil that they use to make french fries and other fried foods since the heat has already thinned out the oil. Most Biodiesel engines can run on Biodiesel or Diesel #2 fuels.
Truth be told, the original diesel engine was made by Herr Diesel as a way for peanut farmers to make their own fuel from the oil of peanuts. Herr Diesel died shortly thereafter under very mysterious circumstances.
There is a way also to convert an engine to run exclusively on vegetable oil which runs about $5,000 U.S., but the cost of cooking oil is still somewhat prohibitive to be a viable economic solution yet.
Most, if not all, of Brazil's vehicles are "flex fuel" vehicles, meaning they can run on gasoline, ethanol or any combination and the car will adapt. It is possible to do that here in the States, thus effectively increasing the supply of oil and driving down the prices. This could be made into law, but all the politicians, especially those in the Bush Administration, are in the back pockets of the oil companies.
Personally, I'd be all for a slight loss in power in other people's cars in knowing that the accident rate will come down (since most of the people driving high-powered cars don't know how to drive in the first place), as well as lead to healthier air for everyone involved. Perhaps in my lifetime it will be possible to leave oil for the sole purpose of lubricating machine parts.
Truth be told, the original diesel engine was made by Herr Diesel as a way for peanut farmers to make their own fuel from the oil of peanuts. Herr Diesel died shortly thereafter under very mysterious circumstances.
There is a way also to convert an engine to run exclusively on vegetable oil which runs about $5,000 U.S., but the cost of cooking oil is still somewhat prohibitive to be a viable economic solution yet.
Most, if not all, of Brazil's vehicles are "flex fuel" vehicles, meaning they can run on gasoline, ethanol or any combination and the car will adapt. It is possible to do that here in the States, thus effectively increasing the supply of oil and driving down the prices. This could be made into law, but all the politicians, especially those in the Bush Administration, are in the back pockets of the oil companies.
Personally, I'd be all for a slight loss in power in other people's cars in knowing that the accident rate will come down (since most of the people driving high-powered cars don't know how to drive in the first place), as well as lead to healthier air for everyone involved. Perhaps in my lifetime it will be possible to leave oil for the sole purpose of lubricating machine parts.
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sumairetsu said:
And then used lubricating oil is used as fuel for big kilns like the ones used in cement or glass industry
Used oils have better calorific value than coal, petcoke or even bunker.NP: Cheap Trick - 'If You Want My Love'
yep it's going down, but I'm sure it's going up again as soon as the summer months kick in.
I heard on the radio today that the Venazuelan President is keeping gas at 12 CENTS a gallon...the reason....strictly to piss of G.W. Bush.
I booked a flight for Pabla to PPVII with worries that the airfare is only going to get higher...it's so hard to play the wait and see game imo.
I heard on the radio today that the Venazuelan President is keeping gas at 12 CENTS a gallon...the reason....strictly to piss of G.W. Bush.
I booked a flight for Pabla to PPVII with worries that the airfare is only going to get higher...it's so hard to play the wait and see game imo.
sumairetsu
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Today the price was going up $0.10 per liter. Yesterday night was hell on earth to drive since all the idiots left for the last minute to fill up the tanks (I did it on Thursday ), and all the pump stations were like refugee camps.
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), and all the pump stations were like refugee camps.NP: Icarus Witch - 'Capture The Magic'
Wyvern said:Before the weekend we expect a new rise, ~3.92/gal for super
Oh sweetie you haven't seen our streets and highways
Avalanch - 'Vientos Del Sur'
Tell me about it.. the streets in Costa Rica scare me and worst when my sister is the driver lol .... a country full of NYC taxi drivers.. hold on for your life... anyways here in Long Island it's about $3.49 for Supreme.. and my car died today... will cost me $2,000 + to repair it.. wasnt able to go into work today.. my job is about 31 1/2 miles away.. do you believe my boss had the nerve to ask me if i had another way to get there lol yes i have a whole fleet of cars... my 1993 mercury Sable is just my newest of my cars lol ...
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It NEVER ends
kittybeast said:
I'm sure you did the right thing, it's only a matter of time before the gas prices are reflected on your plane ticket. I thought the same way, and locked mine in at $207. Cheapest ever was like $165, and I think thr most I paid was $225-$250.
J-Dubya
Good thing that I haven´t car.
I had go to my job by picycle about two year now.
Safe some money and healt
I had go to my job by picycle about two year now.
Safe some money and healt
Nemesis_lxix
Drunk Lord's Greasy $@#%*
I’ m actually thinking of getting one of these cars that run on gas and electricity in a year or two ! They may be a little pricey but if you calculate the money saved in gas it aint that bad.
Bryant
Mr. Sleepy
My van is a flex-fuel vehicle and can run on ethanol E85. Unfortunately, there is no station near me that has it available yet. : (
Bryant
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Nemesis_lxix
Drunk Lord's Greasy $@#%*
Yesterday i filled my gas tank for $46 on a 1993 Mercury Sable... btw the final bill for fixing my car was $2,739 ....
btw the final bill for fixing my car was $2,739 ....Similar threads
