pot smoking

[lizard]

lately I've been focused quite heavily on Evergrey's Recreation Day; it's the first of their's I've heard. it's got alot of elements going, a bit of prog, quiet piano-based segments, and yet quite enough heavy riffs to keep me happy.
bands like evergrey and nevermore are the only true hope for metal, I believe, because they flex the boundaries of metal rather than being constrained by them. rather than a bunch of posers like glenn benton or those makeup guys from the frosty north poncing about, and as soon as they try even a bit of innovation their fans cry sellout.
I think the last true innovation in black metal was perhaps In the Nightside Eclipse, which opened up some possibilities, but that was quite a while ago.

on a side note, and because I don't want to start up another Metallica thread, there's a short interview with Hetfield on http://www.Rollingstone.com in which he sounds very revitalized and psyched. I'm not a huge 'tallica fan but I am starting to get very curious about this new disc.

 

[FEZZILLA]

First off, this is my first post here on Nevermore.

secondly there are some facts I think some of you should know before you throw your votes and your country away.

There are more kids today in drug rehabs over marijuana than any other drug in the U.S. These people are obviously addicted to pot.
Marijuana has been proven to damage the brain and slow down the thinking process in the brain. To me, this drug isn't worth one single cent of my income! It makes me dumb and broke. Marijuana will make you a failure in life. Marijuana, if legalized will destroy this country!
I don't know about you, but I don't want another narcotic out there on the street that is legal and easy for young people to experiment on.
DRUGS is [cubas communist leader] Fidel Castros way of over throwing the U.S and destroying it from the inside. Many communist countries for years have been selling drugs to America, profiting off the young nieve rebelious kids that do not understand the politics of there own country.
Drug lords are Terrorist and communist people who profit by destroying our country. Marijuana, is a non-thinking mans drug! This drug legalized would cripple our nation-weaken its defenses and open up our country for invasion.
National secerity aside, Do you really want a MUCH Dumber America??
I am a smart intelligent thinking man. I know that if I smoked pot every day, my mind would not process thought as fast as it does. I will soon be making a living off of my mind and my ability to be a Think Tank.
Sence I have smoked pot before,I know that pot smoking will ruin any chance I have a being a successful productive American.
I am not going to be a waist of life and government tax credits. Im going to school, taking care of my body and plan on helping America remain an American country. If the Liberals get there way, We will all live in a communist America. Liberal, in political terms means-Liberated from the constitution. Why on Earth would any of you vote a liberal vote?? Do you want to vote away your freedom?? Liberals want to give our jobs to foreigners,legalize marijuana, Band Christianity from this country,band our rights to bare arms, basicly liberals want to make us dumb slaves that freely, at our own will, vote our freedom away!! Put that in your bong and smoke it!!(hehehe, i had to say that line)....

The question should be;
Do you want a intelligent free nation with free thoughts or do you want to live in a dumb slave state where you got you marijuana but lost your freedom?
Lets face it these anti-marijuana laws are there to protect Americas best interest. Thats way we are a super power!!! A countries morale is a countries strengh. You take good judgment out of morales and you've destroyed the nation.

 

[neal]

you should be shot.
-neal

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

You paranoid, brainwashed, jackass. Fidel Castro destroying the US with pot? Marijuana is chiefly grown by aging hippies who use the money to convert their Grateful Dead collection from vinyl to CD.

Marijuana does not make you a failure outright; it makes you a failure if you let the drug take you instead of you taking the drug. I know plenty of people who smoke pot regularly and are very successful.

You, sir, don't need drugs to be an idiot. You've already fallen victim to the most mentally dangerous drug out there - government propaganda. Ah yes, protect our freedom by taking away our right to do what we want. This anti-liberal, anti-liberty idiocy is what makes it possible for George W. Bush and his cohhorts to rob Americans of their rights in the name of protecting their rights.

A wise man (name escapes me, was it Twain or someone else?) once said "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither." Chew on that, my Bushwashed friend.

 

[neal]

it wasnt twain it was jefferson or somthing. it was from back in the constitutional days. and that greatful dead shit is hella funny haha. excellent post.
-neal

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Wait, I remember, it was Ben Franklin. Or was it? FUCK. There was a question about this on my US History final. Sonofabitch.

Okay, Google sez it was Franklin. That sets my mind at ease...Ben was a smart man. Randy old bastard, too.

And thanks. Just doing my bit to...uh...you know, did that accomplish anything at all? Ah well.

 

[kiyardo]

you should be shot.
-neal

And I thought marijuana was supposed to make one more peaceful. I guess not.! bwahahaha

 

[kiyardo]

You paranoid, brainwashed, jackass. Fidel Castro destroying the US with pot? Marijuana is chiefly grown by aging hippies who use the money to convert their Grateful Dead collection from vinyl to CD.

And so the gratuitous name calling continues. And, way to try and cliche marijuana users to 'ageing hippies'. Are you an ageing hippie listening to The Dead? Marijuana is used by more thugs than peaceful hippies. It is not as harmless as you would like to think. Just ask FEZZILLA, who has actually smoked it.

Marijuana does not make you a failure outright; it makes you a failure if you let the drug take you instead of you taking the drug. I know plenty of people who smoke pot regularly and are very successful.

Marijuana by definition IS a failure. Anyone taking drugs let's the drugs take them. It's called a high. You can't tell me your in control when your high on marijuana or any other drug. Would yu drive while your high? I don't think so.

You, sir, don't need drugs to be an idiot. You've already fallen victim to the most mentally dangerous drug out there - government propaganda. Ah yes, protect our freedom by taking away our right to do what we want. This anti-liberal, anti-liberty idiocy is what makes it possible for George W. Bush and his cohhorts to rob Americans of their rights in the name of protecting their rights.

Another personal attack. I might not totally agree with FEZZILLA, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of it were true. And it is true, liberals like Hillarity Klinton, Ted Kennedy, and Tom Dashle are the ones who are more likely to destroy our freedoms than Bush ever will. I do question the Patriot Act though. But, that's another subject.

A wise man (name escapes me, was it Twain or someone else?) once said "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither." Chew on that, my Bushwashed friend.

It was Franklin. You should chew on that. You are obviously a liberal who, if you even vote, supports those who limit the 1st ammendment w/campaign finance reform, The 2nd ammendment with well over 20,000 unconsitutional gun laws on the books, high taxes, expanded government programs, and bloated governemnt regulations.

 

[Tee]

I have a friend of exquisit intelligence, who's been smoking pot regularly for 11 years now, though his brain reflexes after many many years got slowed down. he's here, intelligent and nice, but works with delay. and he's very miserable when high. laughs like retarded to an ice-cream. and can't see the complex background of the spicy mental meals I serve him.

what are the major flaws of communism, according to your opinions?

this post is not ironical at all.

 

[ledmag]

retardo called neal a reatrd, he said he wsnt gonna call any names, adn denied ever calling a name.
what does that make REATRDo?

RETARDO>>>your friends are teh dweebs. Letting the littlewild flower ruin their lives.,

And i would rather die choking on a joint than to be hooked on hard drugs again.

GET A LIFE....and stay out of ours.

 

[ledmag]

We cant believe anything you say. YOu lie like no other.

And so the gratuitous name calling continues.

***yep, you called neal a reatrd. You made the mold shit head***


And, way to try and cliche marijuana users to 'ageing hippies'.

***Cause some are**


Are you an ageing hippie listening to The Dead?

**Im aging, not a hippy, and i dont like the dead.***


Marijuana is used by more thugs than peaceful hippies.

***YEah, you dont know everything. How do you know this? You dont use drugs you never have. You also, didnt throw in that i commended you for not doing drugs. All you do is jack yourself up, adn down others. Probably go down as well. You remind of a drunk NARC agent.***


It is not as harmless as you would like to think. Just ask FEZZILLA, who has actually smoked it.

***DOnt ask him, ask me, or anyone else who uses it. Its harmful sure, but your still out of line with your weed garbage. I would love to get my hands on some of this KILLER weed you kep puking about. IT DOES NOT EXIST....Your friend was a week jerk off, just like you a week mouth runner,,and your also GULABLE..***

Marijuana by definition IS a failure.

**shut the fuck up already. You whiney fucking loser. ITS A FUCKING PALNT BE DEFINITION asshole. Make up your own rules as you go why dont ya.***

Anyone taking drugs let's the drugs take them.

***same with prescription drugs that you take, and the over the counter drugs.***

It's called a high. You can't tell me your in control when your high on marijuana or any other drug.


***yes i can tel lyou that. You wouldnt even know the diference, you ahve never done it. Weed i\does not make you that much different than you are. You ahev no ground to stand on.*

Would yu drive while your high? I don't think so.

** i have, im 30 yrs old, never had a ticket, never been to jail, etc. When i was younger, i drove high more than i did sober.***

Another personal attack. I might not totally agree with FEZZILLA, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of it were true. And it is true, liberals like Hillarity Klinton, Ted Kennedy, and Tom Dashle are the ones who are more likely to destroy our freedoms than Bush ever will. I do question the Patriot Act though. But, that's another subject.

***Something else your proably obliviouse to***

It was Franklin. You should chew on that.

***You fucking queer, he told you who it was.**

You are obviously a liberal who, if you even vote, supports those who limit the 1st ammendment w/campaign finance reform, The 2nd ammendment with well over 20,000 unconsitutional gun laws on the books, high taxes, expanded government programs, and bloated governemnt regulations.


***WHat makes you say that? You seem to wnat the right to haev a gun, but not a plant as weak as WEED***

Every good example that we(I)throw out, you overlook. Why is that? Could it be you cant aome up with an answer.?

I hope you actually stick to your words and dont bother us anymore.

 

[kiyardo]

ledamg. Stop crying like a little baby. You and neal are the ones calling me 'retardo'. So don't crucify me if a do a play on words.

Your statment 'commending me on staying away from drugs' was ignored on purpose buddy because everything else you said contradicted it. I've addressed most every logical argument that has been placed in this BB. You and others have ignored them only to type incoherantly, insulting me personally, instead of addressing the arguments. Again, I will ignore your ignorant rants if you can't argue in a civil manner.

 

[kiyardo]

Pyrus,

I neglected to show you the data you asked for in regard to marijuana being a gateway drug. All of the sites I went to that were against drugs said it could be a gateway drug because of the psychologically addictive effects. None say for sure that it definitivly a gateway drug, but mention that the quest for the high can translate to seeking other drugs, which I believe. My personal experience is that everyone I know that has smoked dope, have gone on to use other drugs. Yours is the opposite. Those sites that I researched were biased against drugs in general, so you may discount their validity.

I also researched pro-marijuana sites that say that Marijuana is definetly not a gateway drug, but those are biased as well. I doubt that either of us will find an independant source on the subject. Although,there are far more pro-marijuana sites than there are anti-drug sites.

 

[ledmag]

you called names first. Actaully, i wish you would od what you say, and just leave us alone.

Im not your buddy either.

Bottom line, your a mindless hip-o-cryte.

Think what you will, just leave us the hell alone. Go somewhere and post. Get a job with nearest narc agency (if you dont already work there).

To sum it all up, FUCK OFF. LEAVE. DONT COME BACK. OR GET ALONG WITH US AND DROP YOUR HOLY GRAIL QUEST TO END ALL DRUG USE.

I mean shit dude, you obviously have nothing in common with nearly anyone here,. Get with the program, or just stop. This is gonna go on forever. Your a fucking watse of space while your acting in this manner. Just think of all the cool stuff we could ahev beentalking about, instead, you insist that your not offending anyone. ANd sure, i hope i am offending you. I would be honoured to think you got so bent out of shape over what little i ve said to you, if it were to cause you to fall over with a heart attack and to never get back up again.

SO why not change my mind on you! Change all of our minds, or leave us alone.

its that fucking easy,. Your mind is not gonna change on this subject, and neither are ours.

 

[ledmag]

Pyrus,

I neglected to show you the data you asked for in regard to marijuana being a gateway drug. All of the sites I went to that were against drugs said it could be a gateway drug because of the psychologically addictive effects. None say for sure that it is addictive. My personal experience is that everyone I know that has smoked dope, have gone on to use other drugs. Yours is the opposite. Those sites that I researched were biased against drugs in general, so you may discount their validity.

I also researched pro-marijuana sites that say that Marijuana is definetly not a gateway drug, but those are biased as well. I doubt that either of us will find an independant source on the subject. Although,there are far more pro-marijuana sites than there are anti-drug sites.

Well done and well said. Youre changing my mind already.

BUT, IMO, you should have addressed your reply to everyone who has argued with you on this subject. Even though pyrus is the one who asked for it.


As i said...well done and well said KIYARDO. ***pssst, you were civil THIS time, thus, I was civil THIS TIME. Thats why i used your nick name.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

That kind of sums it up...nothing's going to solve this argument, because we've had very different experiences. Either one of us is lying, or my friends are just much better at controlling the drug. I think that the main problem may be a lack of education about this...like sex, a lot of dumb kids don't know anything about drugs, and end up thinking that weed and harder drugs are the same thing. The real gateway drug is ignorance (and innocence).

In any case, why don't we let this die? You seemed content to do so before, but then you jumped back in in defense of that fascist, brainwashed fuck (who I have no respect for).

Thanks for, as Led said, being civil about this.

 

[kiyardo]

No problem. Yeah, we'll just let this die. Thanks to ledmag and to you for the truce. Perhaps we can debate this subject at a later time on a better slate. I'd be interested in hearing FEZILLA's arguments more in depth, though. One might not agree with FEZILLA's ideas totally, but just remember that he insulted no one personally in his statement. You have to respect that. He expressed his point of view, most of which I agree with.

Education certainly is the key, as you have said. It's why I stay away from drugs. It's also why I understand the benefits of medicinal THC, which I've addressed in this thread.

That being said, thanks again for the truce.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

You might wanna re-read Fezzilla's post and his comments on liberals, one of which I proudly consider myself. Maybe it wasn't necessary to be so harsh, but I really do think he's a moron. Or at least hopelessly delusional.

 

[ledmag]

KYARDO>>>Thanks to you as well for continueing to be civil.

PYRUS>>>You well handled yourself in the greater part of this conversation.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Thanks for the Yoda-esque compliment.

Did you know the Halford forum has a Yoda emoticon? I wish I had that here, it's finally a usable situation.