Prog me, baby

Lol, PoS and Dream Theater commercial? Oh please, they are just not overly obscure or extremely complex. But if you want to hear commercial prog try Spocks Beard. Those guys are just horrible. But bck to the point:

Well, there's the classic prog:

Yes: Close to the Edge, Relayer, Tales from Topographic Oceans, Going for the One, Keys to Ascension 1 and 2.

Genesis: Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Trick of the Tail, And then There Were Three, Wind and Wuthering.

Kansas: Monolith, Leftoverture, Point of Know Return, Somewhere to Elsewhere, Power, In the Spirit of Things.
------>Steve Walsh: Glossolalia

Emerson Lake and Palmer: Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery, Works, Black Moon.

King Crimson: Discipline, Thrak, Vroom, ConstruKction of Light.

Now, the modern classic prog:

Anglagard: Hybris, Epilogue

Anekdoten: Vemod, Nucleus, From Within

Opeth: Ya know...

Magellan: Hour of Restoration, Impending Ascension, Test of Wills
----->Explorers Club

Cairo: Cairo, Conflict and Dreams


The more obscure modern and old prog:

Garden Wall: Seduction of Dreams

Devil Doll: Sacrilegium

Deus Ex Machina: De Republic, Dichotomie [something]

OK, and of course the famous melodic techno/prog band:

DEPECHE MODE!

OK, that's a reall brief list, but try these for now.
 
oh man! how did i forget spastik ink!! that rivals spiral architect!! and i saw that someone couldn't get into amorphis because of high vocals!? are you talking about their new stuff or old? their old stuff is melodic death metal with a vocals that are exactly like mike akerfeldt's (opeth) growls. it kind of sucks, amorphis would be a great band right now if they had continued on their original course. they just took a turn for the mainstream with "AM universum" and "Tuneola". check out "Land of the Thousand Lakes" if you wanna hear what a great band they were. as for dream theater's music not having direction...um...there's a difference between technical and not having direction. people tend to get those two mixed up alot.
 
Satori: "We need more progressive death/black metal bands, I think."

okay, are u blind?

i listed death, atheist, and cynic. and how about some dimmu borgir, katatonia, and anathema if you want more of an opethish type sound. progressieve death/black metal anyone?
 
Here are a few albums I would suggest you seek out and listen to...

ARCTURUS - La masquerade infernale. Theatrical, dark, progressive and insanely awe-inspiring.

KING CRIMSON - Red. Odd, inspired, atmospheric and thoughtful.

RUSH - Moving pictures. Even if the singer was at that time more whiney than anyone else...(it is not bad though as his voice has a very distinct power.)

MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA - Birds of fire. Impressive jazz-rock fusion with technical songs not bereft of substance beyond displaying instrumental heroics.

THE 3RD AND THE MORTAL - Painting on glass, In this room. Often put off for being female-fronted and thus a 'goth' metal band. These albums should prove otherwise - soundscapes and textures intervowen with really great vocals and a very experimental touch to constructing songs and albums.

ALAMAAILMAN VASARAT - Vasaraasia. Mind-blowing instrumental klezmer/ethnic/jazz/metal/prog!

VED BUENS ENDE... - Written in waters, Those who caress the pale. Psychedelic black metal -originated stuff with impressive drumming, truly emotional 'crying' and obscure chord progressions.

BLACK SABBATH - Sabotage. Massive, heavy, abundant with ingenious twists in all songs with limbs spreading in various directions. In my opinion, the best album of all time (alongside with the band's less prog debut, Arcturus' "La masquerade infernale" and the last two albums by Opeth.)

BENIGHTED LEAMS - Caliginous romantic myth. If you can get into this, nothing can stop you. The hardest album of all time (TM) with ever-evolving riffs that have mutability as a supremely dominant quality, obscure production, atypical vocals. Alex Kurtagic, the sole member of the band, rules.

And I can say I agree with some of the suggestions posted before: Jethro Tull are great, old Genesis is splendid, Devil Doll are nothing but impressive and so on.
 
Damn, I've recommended these guys a few times, but most take no notice:


Sinkadus! Dammit, if you like progressive, these guys are a must hear. I find them to be one of the most interesting and twisted bands n existence. They have guitar, vocals, bass, cello, flute, drums, al kinds of good stuff!! They have a swedish sound to them, and utilize many odd time signatures and syncopations in their music, and use twisted harmonies and interplay between the instruments. The music is sometimes downright weird, but never fails to evoke deep emotions. The bass is another lead instrument, not just rhythm, giving a sound similar to Morningrise by Opeth. The music is not metal, but simply progressive, though the atmosphere and riffs are as heavy as you can get without having a ton of distortion and endless blast beats. They are unique and must be heard by all fans of prog!! Get Their album "Cirkus" now!!!! Dammit!!!:lol: :)

Also, for other recomendsations, try the new Emperor, or some Kopecky, or TrephineMD. These should all take you on an exciting prog journey to say the least. No whiny stuff here, just solid atmospheric prog, whether metal or not.
 
If you hate LaBrie as a singer then get Liquid Tension Experiment it's the new Dream Theater line up with Tony Leven on bass and no vocals.

I'll second the Arcturus!

Enjoy the moment.....
 
Originally posted by Satori
Ahem. Being the bastard that I obviously am, let me publicly state that I think Dream Theatre sucks donkey dick. This is just my opinion and nothing to get upset about.

I used to like them and then a short time later I started to dislike them and now they just make me sick. Everything about makes me sick, including the lyrics, the hairspray/hair dye, the makeup, the "posing", the whining, the "emotion", bleh, sure they are great musicians, but fuck, I'm not into cheesy commerical poser hair metal bands anymore and I simply cannot relate.

It occured to me very early on in my Dream Theatre phase that what I really liked was the musicianship, not the sound/texture. When the initial awe of the musicianship wore off for me there was nothing left but the sickly sweet aroma that you all are familiar with.

One glance (hairspray/eye liner) or one listen (serious emotive whining) reveals this band is about as American as apple pie, and in the context of intelligent/inventive music, this is definitely not a good thing. The US is known for producing vast quantities of commerical crap and I think Dream Theatre, as proficient as they are, also fall into this category. They are (I think) producing albums to sell and make money instead of using their vast talent to create something unique and special (who can blame them, they are Americans catering to Americans under an American label, were they NOT blatantly commercial they'd find themselves out of a record deal pretty quick). I think I'm just stating the obvious here.

Perhaps you think I'm coming down too hard on them because they have their hair permed and cuz they wear tonnes of eye-liner(and Labrie even paints his nails). I feel this is quite significant. I think that any band that pretties themselves up are doing so for the primary purpose of selling albums and this makes me sick because (to me) music is a cherished art form and the players should be loved for their minds and "souls" (for the lack of a better word), they shouldn't feel the need to sell-out or cheesify in that way.

Musicianship isn't *everything*, it's just a foundation. To me, Dream Theatre are like the back street boys of "metal" (not that I would call them metal cuz they are so whimpy, I'd call them rock).

When I think of Dream Theatre these three words come to mine: cheesy commercial crap.

There, I've ranted. I feel better now, don't you?

muwaahah,

Satori
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I couldn't disagree more, but no need for a rant.
 
<rant>I should clarify my earlier post. I can see some of the commercial tendencies from time to time in Dream Theater, especially on Falling Into Infinity, but I just found it hypocritical to ask for stuff similar to Yes and Journey that wasn't overly commercial because they epitomize commercialism (i.e. they changed their sound in order to gain more record sales and Journey admits to it). Although I disagree with your opinion on Dream Theater, it is your opinion; I just wanted to point out the inconsitencies in your request. </rant>

Anyway, I can tell from your posts you're really against melodic vocals (which further confuses the fact that you like Yes and Journey who are extremely over-melodic), so go for Cynic (death metal vocals) and Spastic Ink (no vocals, insanely technical). Those should satisfy your craving for progressive metal.

Re-reading what I've said, it sounds like an attack, but it is not intended to be so. I just like to help people strengthen their own arguments :lol: You might also check out Aghora, it is similar to Cynic but with female vocals (not operatic, but good).
 
Oops, with all the avant-garde I forgot about metal selections. Now for some real progressive metal (not gymnastics) get :

Amorphis - Elegy and especially Tuonela. The two really progressive albums from this great band.
The 3rd & the Mortal - Tears Laid in Earth - progressive rock with haunting female vocals and a surreal aura.
Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale - total chaos and madness.
Borknagar - The Olden Domain, The Archaic Course (the only band who has got this feeling for melody that Opeth has - you all know what I'm talking about - and besides is one of the few truly original bands in metal today).

D Mullholand
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NP: The Doors - Strange Days
 
Yes, James LaBrie is a cheesy bastard. Yes, Dream TheatER has some really fucking insipid, bullshit pop songs. And any DT fans who would deny either of those things are fooling themselves. But to suggest that DT is catering to any audience other than the one they already have, and have had for nearly 10 years, is absurd. Other than a few lameass whinefests that John Petrucci wrote, the only thing that Dream Theater has done that was 'blatantly commercial' was Falling Into Infinity, which they were forced into making by the label. Mike Portnoy almost broke up the band over it. Over having to make an album that was intended to be commercial. Mike Portnoy is the heart and soul (yeah, I'm a cheesy bastard, too) of Dream Theater, and he doesn't give a rat's ass about being commercial.
 
Heya, Sat.

I've ranted on about him before in various contexts, but have you actually ever heard anything by Frank Zappa? He did a lot of commercial-sounding straightforward "for the purpose of social satire more so than music" stuff, but he also did some records which I think are insanely progressive in their massively complicated composition, skilled musicianship, and unrepetitiousness. And, of course, he did so many records in so many different styles... in a lot of ways he was the first "progressive" commercial rock musician, in terms of breaking stylistic grounds constantly, and deviating from whatever norms exist.

My favourites would be the following:

"Hot Rats" an (almost) entirely jazz/rock album that features some of the most kickass guitarwork I've ever heard. Check out the song "Son of Mr. Green Genes", it's 9 minutes long, and the middle 6 minutes are a completely non-repetitiously-structured-yet-melodic-as-hell-carefully-composed-yet-utterly-insane guitar solo. Another Jazz album, "The Grand Wazoo", is excellent along these stylistic lines also.

"We're Only in it for the Money" an album aimed at satirizing the 60's from all sides, 19 tracks over 39 minutes with completely whacked editing and effects. It LITERALLY sounds like no other record ever made, and appreciating the satire (the straight-up "flower power sucks" is a line heard on the record... it was released in '68) helps also. No one track from this record can really give you any concept of how it sounds as a whole (typical of FZ).

I can't remember if I've gone on this schpeal before or not... oh well. Oh well. These two records are amoungst my favourite 5 or 6 of all time, and that includes Opeth, Edge of Sanity's "Crimson", and Ocean Machine...
 
For fucks sake! Just when I thought mankind wouldn't sink any lower... Dream Theater beeing a hair-metal band? HELLO?! John just cut his hair for one thing... ok portnoy is saving his again... but anyway... and what's this shit about popsongs? Okay, they have soem cheesy tunes. but they are great anyway... close minded ppl.. dammit... I'm I the only one who don't give a fuck if it's metal nor pop etc and just care about if it's good? When beeing a band that has been doing this since -89 you MUT have some failures.. and when the ppl who don't like it just seem to see those... look in the bigger picture... and this aside that they are one of the progressive bands on earth, comming from metal...

And btw. no damn bashing on Nevermore :(
They rule. They have an actual message of their music och lyrics. Warrel is one of the best poets comming from the metalscene...
 
Originally posted by D Mullholand
Man, I have heard Hancock's 'Crossings' album from 1972 today for the first time ! Definitely thumbs up ! Are you into other fusion/jazz ? What do you think of Mahavishnu Orchestra/John McLaughlin ?

D Mullholand
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NP: Herbie Hancock - Crossings
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I've just woked out what the NP stands for :D I'm slow :) Hehe, yeah Hancock rocks. I don't have crossings tho! Is it before or after headhuntersd. I really do recommend that it is amazing

Not only did herbie start fusion with miles davis, and then funk, he alse startde hip hop (ok a dubious honour, but he did it well) and dance! He is amazing!

John McLaughlin I've got a few songs that I really like :) And the other I'm not sure. My dad may have some :confused: I'll ask :) I'm into quite a bit of jazz and blues, my favourites being Charlie Parker, BB King, Eric CLapton, and many of the older original blues artists :)

Do you have ne recomendations
 
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