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I believe there is an after-life, though not what it is like. And nor does it matter. I will see early enough. (Sometimes it's very scary to think about how close it might be in time - or that I might as well have seen already, if things had happened just slightely differently....) I think that everything goes on forever, more or less. The plant is eaten by an animal; this animal is eaten by another animal, and the next one in line may be a human. Then when the human dies it is buried, and become dirt again. Dirt that gives nourishment to the plants. The energies - the life, the spirits - follow the same chain.... -Maybe! :)
 
I am quite fond of spiritual thinking, in whatever form it might be.
It quite interesting and exciting, no doubt about that.
However, my scientific education has made me more of a sceptic
than ever....

As a child I reacted negatively to any deep thoughts about
creation and time, eternity. (that's a long story, and they were
only based on my personal thoughts and perception of the
world.) I'd see myself as nothing for eternity. Scary thought.

My grandmother and her mother was/are very Christian.
They never said anything (intentionally) to scare me, nor did they
preach too much about religion. Yet what I heard scared me as a
child, and it made turn away from Christianity. I do not like it!
I have a problem with organized religion!
 
Well, it's hard NOT to believe in afterlife, cause that would be even harder to imagine, wouldn't it? How would you think it might be when your consciousness just ceases and then - black, nothing ? There are many things unknown, but there are also many things known and within our small limits of power to do.

If you'd have an afterlife... how would you like it to be? Or don't you have some imagination how it might look like?

I am not sure how to portray it, and I guess I'll see soon enough if there's or there's not such a thing. Anyway, about what you wrote, that you look back at some deed and see that you closely escaped death or so - guess that reminds you of your life. And everytime a person dies around here I come back to ask me where that person might be, what it might be, and so on. truth for me is, however, that at some point in time, I'll experience that myself, and there's not really anything I'll be able to do about that point of time, just make sure I "made a difference" before that time has come.
 
To me fate would be just two points - your birth, and your death. Considering this existence, that is, dunno how it will go on then, or how it went before ;)

What's in between, is yours to decide, but somehow, sometimes, it seems that fate inferferes with our lives, and if it's just for a brief moment. It did in mine, I suppose. And I can't say I blame it ;)

There is surely something superior to mankind... look at us, we cannot be the height of things, with all these flaws we have, can we? But then, I don't believe there's anything flawless, except for the whole, the universe, which is made of incompletely bits :)
 
Originally posted by Ziuwarian
Well, it's hard NOT to believe in afterlife, cause that would be even harder to imagine, wouldn't it? How would you think it might be when your consciousness just ceases and then - black, nothing ? There are many things unknown, but there are also many things known and within our small limits of power to do.
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It's hard for me TO believe in an afterlife. When you die, I believe that your consciousness ceases to exist, and then... well, there is no THEN. No blackness, no void... you no longer exist. It is the exact opposite of being born. Before conception, there is no black or void, you simply do not exist. I don't believe in souls or spirits as I think most people do. I find it hard to believe that some time between conception and birth a soul is placed (or is born) in you. And consciousness, to me, is just the normal complexity of the brain... no more.
 
If there exists an infinite amount of parallel universa - and each universe is different from the others, no repetition - there must necessarily be one of every imaginable universe. That is, if the hyperdimensional space containing every universe is infinitely large, there is no end to the amount of universa contained within, meaning that every universe that could possibly exist also does exist. This would include every "afterlife" universe that humans have fantasized about.
(This is of course all operating under the initial assumption, of infinite universa)
 
Originally posted by Luguber
If there exists an infinite amount of parallel universa - and each universe is different from the others, no repetition - there must necessarily be one of every imaginable universe. That is, if the hyperdimensional space containing every universe is infinitely large, there is no end to the amount of universa contained within, meaning that every universe that could possibly exist also does exist. This would include every "afterlife" universe that humans have fantasized about.
(This is of course all operating under the initial assumption, of infinite universa)
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It is also operating under the assumption that the afterlife COULD exist, which isn't guaranteed.
 
You don't seem to understand quite what I'm getting at here. If the hyperuniverse is _infinitely_ large, then EVERYTHING exists _somewhere_ - if you keep traveling in any one direction for a long enough time you will arrive anywhere you want. This includes the planet of the ice cream cone people and their lollipop dogs if you want it to.
 
Originally posted by Ziuwarian
To me fate would be just two points - your birth, and your death. Considering this existence, that is, dunno how it will go on then, or how it went before ;)

What's in between, is yours to decide, but somehow, sometimes, it seems that fate inferferes with our lives, and if it's just for a brief moment. It did in mine, I suppose. And I can't say I blame it ;)

There is surely something superior to mankind... look at us, we cannot be the height of things, with all these flaws we have, can we? But then, I don't believe there's anything flawless, except for the whole, the universe, which is made of incompletely bits :)
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i somewhat agree with you...but could "fate" be a force of nature or something along the lines of a god or godess?
 
I guess there's always something superior to something, I wouldn't say that fate is something created by a god or goddess, I'd say that even Gods are under the fate, if they exist, and fate, too.

However, noone can say if there was something before we were born, or that there will be something after we die, might as well be that we do not remember - think of what memories are - short circuits in our brains, electric pulses... so if we die, they are erased, we would most likely loos the information we gathered, right?
 
Originally posted by Ziuwarian
I guess there's always something superior to something, I wouldn't say that fate is something created by a god or goddess, I'd say that even Gods are under the fate, if they exist, and fate, too.

However, noone can say if there was something before we were born, or that there will be something after we die, might as well be that we do not remember - think of what memories are - short circuits in our brains, electric pulses... so if we die, they are erased, we would most likely loos the information we gathered, right?
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this could be true, but by a twist of fate we might hold onto our memories for the afterlife....such as a tv holds its charge for awhile after u turn it off...haha :D
 
I think fate controls everything. That everything is fate. But then , in a way, fate wuld be time, and time..... well, as I see it, time is now. There is no real past, nor future, because when past was, that was present, and when the future comes, that will be present as well. Which means the future never really comes......

As for fate being made by a god or a goddess..... to me, fate _is_ moe or less, a god/dess (don't think fate is a sex, so I might as well say deity). In the same way I see Mother Earth as a goddess and the Moon, and the Sun. But um..... this can be understood in two possible ways, as I see it..... And then, what I mean is not that this god/dess is fate, but fate is this god/dess........ That was difficult to explain..... Don't think I _can_ expalin it; guess you just either understand what I mean, or not......

And as for fate being all the time; it's intuition and such I thii\nk about. How can it be possible to foresee what will happend if it's not already decided? It's kind of like a think that just seems logical to me...... Like, tomorrow, either you'll die then, or you won't. Of course yu cannot both die tomorrow and not, so only _one_ of those possibilities lies in yur future. And that one thing already loie there, right? It won't just pop up in the moment it happends, or not happends..... It's there, that thing that lies in the future..... So it's already decided. And so is everything else that lies in the future........ Umm.... That was just as difficult to explain...... Hehe, I don't blame anyone if they don't understand what I meant here........ :)

I don't know if any of this made any sense.......
 
Fjell, that was pretty damn confusing.

That whole thing about there is no real past or future just seems to be redefining what past and future are to make them not exist. I consider past and future to be EXACTLY what the present was and what the present will be. Obviously the future can never be now, but every second, a part of the future turns into the present.

However, your explanation of fate differs quite a bit from what I see as a predetermined fate. First, fate wouldn't have your complete life predetermined otherwise there is no such thing as free will. So, then PD (predetermiend) fate would mean that only certain milestones in your life would be fixed... Maybe not even fixed in time, but certain events are bound to happen... you marry a certain person, you are "forced" to cause harm to another person, and so on... This is similar to the view of fate put forth in Greek and Roman mythology. With this kind of PD fate, no matter what choices you make in your life, you will end up passing through the exact same milestones, although the route might be slightly different.
 
Dunno what you have... Fjell speaks in clear words, at least for me that seems so :) Much similar to my way of thinking hehe :)

Don't think you always have to reconsider that everyone understands Fjell, some may and some may not, and those who don't understand and want to know what you mean will ask you what you wanted to say :)
 
@Nomad: You still are just as free as you would if there had been no fate: You would still make the same choises. You choose yourself what you'll do; if you had believed differently about fate, would that differ how your choises would be made? There comes the thing about fate being a deity, not one deity being fate: I don't think it is a deity who desides what's going to happend and not. We decide ourselves. All those decisions; the wills and wants of everyone; are what makes up fate, as I see it, and that is, to me, a deity (which I call Hel (whole, infinite, everything), and split up in past, present and future, as Urd, Verdandi and Skuld - this is, btw, what I have tattooed on my leg)).

If someting can be foretold, it must be predetermined, how else would it be possible to foresee it? And it is not only the big things in your life that can be foretold; think about déjà vu! My sister foretold that some on my school would be taking an oral exam in society science; this is smth that is just luck, not deided by someone, so no-one knew. Anyway, she was right!
 
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