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[Melancholia]

I don't think mythology is fairy-tales or generally sth to amuse oneself or sth that suddenly popped up in the minds of the ancient people...there is a whole philosophy and hidden meanings behind this.....
and especially when it comes to greek and scandinavian mythology (these are the ones i mostly read) the gods represent sides/qualities/traits of man...
nothing to do with the "god is perfect" story....and that's why i find more sense/more interest to mythology than in the concept of god as christianity represents it....

jsut some random thoughts I am not trying to start a war....

 

[Melancholia]

Originally posted by FatherVic
but please, please don't start a flamewar about religions!!!!

we posted with 3 mins difference....and therefore i hadn't seen your post.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and it's actually funny..look how MY previous post ends


*creating a mess without wanting that*

*and actually this post makes me think of sth else too *

 

[FatherVic]

yeap! I meant that, a "deity" "superior entity" whatever...not christianity, muslims, jews...etc!
so don't worry mel!

 

[The Nomad]

The reason the planets are all in a row is that while our solar system was forming (even before the sun "solidified"), this are was a spinning disc of gasses that eventually coalesced into most of what we know as the Solar System. I'm not sure why Pluto is off kilter.

As for what was before the big bang, I might be wrong about this, but I think that there was no time before the big bang, hence no BEFORE. We humans always think of time as being an independant constant because we've never seen it act differently than the way we concieve of it. Reading a couple physics books on near-light speed travel can open your eyes a bit. But with all this, it is concievable that time could not move at a certain point in "time".

All that said about time being different than what we think it is, I still don't believe in travelling back in time. It has conservation of mass problems...

 

[AnsuzAstral]

Hmmm, the most "natural" feeling to me comes from Ödemarkens Son, almost any song from that album. But usually I don't do much moer than headbanging to it

 

[Blackspirit]

Originally posted by FatherVic
@blackspirit: can't you just go to the class you wan't??? just attend the lessons to get knowledge?? Here you can attend nearly all the lessons on our universities...the only thing is that if you're not in the uni they won't test you....but at least you could go and take all the notes you want!!

I can attend all the classes I want to at the university,
but I won't get to take the exam... The lessons are
open for everyone, but you won't be taken into a
studygroup where you learn more....

And, if I go to the university I'd REALLY like to take an
exam. But I won't be albe to take the exam until I
have these pre-courses called exphilosophicum and
exfacultatum. They are extremly boring, all about
philosophy P I got through ecphil. but failed in
ecfac. / And I just can't be bothered trying again,
until I'm RAELLY motivated.....

 

[Fjelltussa]

@Blackspriit: You can take the basic course without haveing exphil/exfac, as you can with any course, but to take intermediate and main subject you must have passed the preliminary examination.

@fjell with all due respect, I think the mythologys are fairy-tales, unless you actually belive in all of it. What ive been tought of roman/greek mythology, its just taught as a story, theres no other real way to teach it.......

So you do believe that the ppl that believed in it - and those who still do - were (are) stupid, then? I don't think they would have survived as long as they have, if they were just fairy-tales. Another thing that adds to make the mythologies seem little realistic is, mark: in my opinion, the way ppl seem to use christian definitions of things, either they are christian themselves or not. They have become so common that we don't even think about where they've come from.....

 

[AnsuzAstral]

Hmmm, most mythology (nordic I mean) is anyway influenced by christianity in ways... it ever was since it's been written down. Those who wrote the Edda and Sagas down were christians, and I don't think they left things a bit unchanged, but still, heathendom makes more sense to me than christianity or any other religion so far did...don't mistake them for fairytales, only cause they seem written in a weird way.

It's not like I take what's written in the Edda word by word, but the idea of heathendom is in there, still, I think... but you only have to listen to yourself to know what's obviously right and what is wrong, that's what it's about for me, not worshipping any god or so... nordic Gods represented some aspect, strength, wisdom or whatever it was. I don't call for any help from them, but I give my support to them when I can, and in this world we live in I think there are many qualities that heathens have are very useful... and if one thinks heathendom is about politics (many here do!! When you say you're heathen here you're in the crossfire if christians and of pple saying you're a fuckin nazi) they are wrong, politics are something that should NEVER have a place in heathendom for me...

It's more all about morals than divinity, and about understanding. I think being heathen is much more practicable than being a christian, and more useful to this world. Well, that's my opinion.

LOL sorry, this is getting pretty weird now...

 

[Fjelltussa]

Nah, you're right! I've said smth about connecting pagan customs and beliefs with nazism here somewhere before: It fucking pisses me off, because there are no bigger opposites that paganism and nazism.

 

[FatherVic]

@blackspirit: well I was actually talking about it thinking it was just one subject. Actually I think on atending programming (but it's not much likely) lessons in a uni here...so I just learn, don't care for exams....other thing is if you want to do a whole degree this way, then you of course should get exams or you'd be nuts

well my case is even worse, I hate what I'm studying and I'm doing it for the exams and the certificate!!!!! the degree is somehow needed here to get a good job!

@the_nomad: actually I've always thought (of course it's just a self thought, kind of believing only, since it's not actually supported by any theory) that after time there always an after and so with "before" just like that btween two distances there's always something in between no matter how near those distances are....I know it sounds naive...but I like to believe it that way

 

[The Nomad]

That's cool. In the end, we're probably all wrong anyway.

 

[Final_Vision]

@fjell nope putting words in my mouth, please dont But I find it hard to belive there is a serpent going to circle the earth and there is a god who runs around with a hammer calling on thunder. Dont get me wrong, im not putting it down in anyway, but it goes the same for any religion. I look at religion as a belief system that gives people hope and foundation, something to belive in. Thats just my take on it, I think the mythological ideas of the greeks, romans, celts, and norse most likely had deeper meanings, in fact im sure they did, but I think thats what they were, a meaning behind a story. Just my take

 

[Fjelltussa]

I see, and I agree with you on that last. And I apologies for putting word in your mouth.
I can perfectly understand that you don't believe there's a serpent encirceling the earth and so on, but that is what I meant with how it is made to seem unrealistic. But this is way to complicated to explain here in just some few sentences - for me, anyway.
I'm not very religious at all, as I see it, bacause there's nothing supernatural in what I believe in. It's like everything just comes down to definitions and names in the end. And - I think there lies incredibly much wisdom hidden in history. We like to think we've never known more than we do now - that we've never been smarter, but I think that's a very naive belief.
I just hope that you are a little more openminded than to think that some ppl are stupid enough to believe seriously in fairy-tales, at any time, in the past, now or in the future. But then, I'm sure you are

 

[AnsuzAstral]

Would you get out of my mind, Fjelltussa? I can just agree to you

Yes I too think it was noone's intention to offend anyone, if I ever did offend anyone, I wish to apologize, but it's better when someone says he's offended by something rather than plotting something in revenge or so hehehe This is a board with alot cool guys... and girls, too Wish that it stays as great as it is

*raises a horn of mead and cheers all the Vintersorg-forumers*

To the noble and great people of the FORUM!

 

[Fjelltussa]

Are you so sure that I'm the one who has sneaked into YOUR mind?? Sure it's not the other way around?? Hehe

 

[Fleischwolf]

Originally posted by Final_Vision
@fjell nope putting words in my mouth, please dont But I find it hard to belive there is a serpent going to circle the earth and there is a god who runs around with a hammer calling on thunder.

those are just synonyms(??my english is reaching it's limits here) for the forces of nature and that is, what's really importent in all pagan religions! of course there is no midgard snake but that's not the point! the point is that i feel connected to a very old wisdom when i read the germanic sagas! much of this wisdom was lost when christianity came over europe which fire and sword! but when you take a walk in the forest you still feel the old heathen spirit!

 

[AnsuzAstral]

I agree with Fleischwolf (Nice nick, man! ) but on the other hand, also many of the heathens in europe accepted christianity for their own benefits... and some did not, and upon those it was forced. But it's of no use stirring in old memories, time's will change...

 

[Fjelltussa]

Yup, many did accept it, and the women came first - and ended up worst!! Had they only known..... But many accepted it together with the old beliefs. They'd put statues of Jesus alongside the statues of their old gods and goddesses. They were openminded .

 

[AnsuzAstral]

Openminded maybe, but many of them also accepted christianity cause it was better for their profit from trades with the christian countries, I think. Those were mostly the pple that lived closer to those countries, tho - Denmark (Haithabu and such) and it many had to accept it as well, cause of their kings being baptized (I think it was this way in both Denmark and Norway? I don't really know, but I'd say it was this way.)

But anyway, the christians didn't leave them much choice at all.

 

[Fjelltussa]

Yes, both the Danish and the Norwegian king were baptized. Many Norwegian kings were, but the first ones, at least, did not seem to be very christian personally. I rather think that they realized (and that is quite obvious) what so many other leaders and chiefs had realized before them: that a dogmatic, patriarchal religion like Christianity, could give them lot more influence - or rather; power - than could the old ways.

I don't think the people(s) fully understood what they were going for. Before, they had been free. Now there were some few high status persons who were telling them "the truth"; how to live; what to belive in; what was right; what was wrong. I guess down in Europe some places, there had been religious leaders like priests and priestesses, who had "monopoly" on knowing "the truth", before to, but up here it hadn't.