RELIGION DISCUSSION THREAD

[Leandro]

The point that bryan is bringing forward is this:

Religious fundamentalists only exist because religious moderates do. It's not the belief, it's the condescendence. Every time a young child is baptised, there's a chance that child will become a fundamentalist and cause harm. Every. Single. Time. The very fact that moderates exist makes fundamentalists look simply like excentrics rather than what they really are - ill.

On a side-note, any kind of religion disrupts and intervenes with science. No, balancing science and faith is not possible, and I don't think I could possibly think of two concepts more mutually exclusive.

 

[spirit crusher]

thats only a catholic dogma.

besides, they would have gotten AIDS anyways because condoms would be a foreign concept to them. And I'd think a Christian would preach abstinence anyways.

Now I will prove to you, how you as a religious moderate, paves the way for such unacceptable practices.

You..being Joe religious Somebody demands religious rights.

This goes on and all is well until, somebody with a more extreme view than you demands those rights as well...because it is their religion, these views then become acceptable by law, no matter how atrocious in manner they may be. Now obviously a line is drawn somewhere according to the laws of whatever country you may live in. This however may not and has not stopped more extremists in the past.

So by you flying the Religious rights banner enables the more extreme to do so as well and justify their actions. A prime example of this is the Westboro Baptist church. They claim religious rights under US law and are recognized because they are a part, be it small, but still a part of christianity.



So you just being a Christian, allows Catholic Dogma such as the aforementioned to be in existance.

 

[shredtastical]

Now I will prove to you, how you as a religious moderate, paves the way for such unacceptable practices.

as much as i support MOST of your arguments

this is like saying, "dont kiss a girl cause it'll lead to sex and then you'll have a baby to deal with," or "dont ever drink alcohol cause it'll lead to addiction and then you'll be some street bum."

innocent until proven guilty etc.

however, the hypocrisy, extremism, corruption, and dogmaticism that history has proven is prevalent in organized religion is valid. i am personally agnostic. people should choose their own interpretation of whatever they want to believe in, not someone else's allegory(ies). however, atheism can actually be considered the "religion" of believing in no God, so just keep that bit in mind

 

[spirit crusher]

as I previously mentioned to Altitudes. Read Sam Harris' "The End of Faith"

I can't construe his points on the immorality of being a religious moderate better than he can, so let a master, with a doctorate in neuropsychology explain them to you.

The analogies are way off tonight for some reason. The unfortunate thing is that maybe a kiss does lead to a pregnancy in the long run, hell it probably lead to most pregnancies.

 

[shredtastical]

as I previously mentioned to Altitudes. Read Sam Harris' "The End of Faith"

I can't construe his points on the immorality of being a religious moderate better than he can, so let a master, with a doctorate in neuropsychology explain them to you.

The analogies are way off tonight for some reason. The unfortunate thing is that maybe a kiss does lead to a pregnancy in the long run, hell it probably lead to most pregnancies.

well maybe christianity makes people delusional and corrupt, however, its a far stretch to assume that upon every christian.

 

[spirit crusher]

I think youre missing the point...

even the less moral defunct Christians allow the more moral defunct christians to practice their immoral ideas and ideals.

 

[shredtastical]

I think youre missing the point...

even the less moral defunct Christians allow the more moral defunct christians to practice their immoral ideas and ideals.

completely valid. look at the state the US is in . Bush is a joke. However, I think it's wrong to condemn all christians for other's actions.

 

[Night Reaper]

i wonder what was the religion of the guy who invented the SHOOKER

 

[spirit crusher]

completely valid. look at the state the US is in . Bush is a joke. However, I think it's wrong to condemn all christians for other's actions.

christians who see how wrong this is, should not be christians at all and would therefore be void from this logic attack.

 

[shredtastical]

christians who see how wrong this is, should not be christians at all and would therefore be void from this logic attack.

because of the corruption of others of their faith, you can't expect them to throw out all their belief system.

like i said, i agree with most of your points. however, it remains that the existence of a divine being cannot be proven, nor disproven, and it is still a form of dogmatic religion to be atheist. just because extreme members of your group do something morally unjust to prove their beliefs, does that mean you'll stop being an atheist?

 

[spirit crusher]

I would disagree that Atheism is considered a religion, it is the complete lack of religion.

However people who have the same beliefs as me don't go on huge mobfests, therefore this situation is irrelevant.

 

[Mystique1721]

there's no such thing as existence anyway. you guys are wasting your time.

 

[Altitudes]

I would disagree that Atheism is considered a religion, it is the complete lack of religion.

However people who have the same beliefs as me don't go on huge mobfests, therefore this situation is irrelevant.

Get some sleep dude and call it a day

 

[shredtastical]

I would disagree that Atheism is considered a religion, it is the complete lack of religion.

However people who have the same beliefs as me don't go on huge mobfests, therefore this situation is irrelevant.

no, it is not in the least bit irrelevant. you just turn a blind eye because you are an atheist.

and religion: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

atheism = the extreme belief of non-secular opposition. sounds like its s set of beliefs concerning the purpose of the universe, has a code...

 

[spirit crusher]

No, I don't turn a blind eye.

The situation is irrelevant because it won't happen, the same way youll never see a Jainist suicide bomber.

Atheism does not offer any belief as to the nature of the universe, the cause or purpose. It involves no ritual observances nor does it offer a moral code. Sorry dude, but youre totally wrong on this one.

 

[Altitudes]

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

 

[shredtastical]

No, I don't turn a blind eye.

The situation is irrelevant because it won't happen, the same way youll never see a Jainist suicide bomber.

Atheism does not offer any belief as to the nature of the universe, the cause or purpose. It involves no ritual observances nor does it offer a moral code. Sorry dude, but youre totally wrong on this one.

stereotypes; yes, they appear for a reason; however, you can't make those assumptions for all

and the point is there a lunatics in every group. or are you going to vouch for the benevolence of ALL atheists?

atheism is more the structure of disbelief than belief. (validly) disbelieving creationism is still offering a belief about the universe's creation.

 

[spirit crusher]

The day someone blows up a building in the name of Atheism, come talk to me.

I'm going to have to disagree with you again, the disbelief in creationism is not offering a belief about the universes creation at all. If anything, call science a religion, it offers more comparable subjects to religion than Atheism.

 

[shredtastical]

The day someone blows up a building in the name of Atheism, come talk to me.

I'm going to have to disagree with you again, the disbelief in creationism is not offering a belief about the universes creation at all. If anything, call science a religion, it offers more comparable subjects to religion than Atheism.

science is based upon proof. prove to me god DOESNT exist. we can't. prove to me he does exist. again, we cant.

 

[spirit crusher]

But OMG it offers a possible explanation to the creation of the UNIVERSE!!!!!


DID U KNOW THERES A MORAL SCIENTIFIC CODE AS WELL?!?!?!?!


I agree that science should never be considered a religion, but neither should atheism.

Think before your speak though, you might just get caught in one of your own paradoxes.