some people hate opiates yeah, i find that really strange. my friends mother is a nurse and so when he got surgery for something he got a shitload of painkillers and basically the best kind, and he said he absolutely hated them and never used them. pretty baffling but i guess some people just get knocked the fuck out from them/don't like the nodding, though i can't imagine anyone saying they don't relieve pain since even if that is the case they numb you the fuck out (if the dose is right) haha. tylenol and anything over the counter has never done ANYTHING for me in terms of actual pain reduction but some of my friends swear by it and just guzzle that shit down, pretty stupid idea but some of them aren't the brightest.