Something that bothers me about DT

[King Chaos]

Wow, everyones being so mean.

I'm just asking because Im curious, but what is wrong with using first names? Its more endeering for a start. Alot of people around here us first names in response to their fellow forum members... its not like by using a name people are showing off their knowledge.

This thread started as a discussion about a topic which a DT member could answer. A DT member did answer it and BT accepted the answer and was grateful... then y'all kicked his/her ass for it. You're all mean.

 

[The Grand Wazoo]

Its just all too ...corny? >_<
Typiskt? ..I dunno

*sigh*

 

[Siren]

@KC: Well, it's all too...fanboyism/girlism?
Whatever, maybe i've just grown up and out of some things (and into being an old mean lady ).

As for first names, well... i like the mystery of nicknames.

 

[The Grand Wazoo]

*still agreeing*

(...)(heh)(yeah well..)

 

[King Chaos]

Yeah I see what you mean sort of... like BT Bowed down (in a way) after such intricate arguing on the subject.


*Off topic*
Anyway, Siren... our team won at the Game :hotjump:

 

[Northern Lights]

Thanks Niklas!
I'm really flattered that you think it's an interesting discussion, and that you chose to respond. I'm sorry if my opinion seemed a bit harsh. As I said, I love all your works (including your visual arts) and your reply was really satisfying.

So, as you can see I got what I wanted. I can't say I'm really satisfied with the answer. But it is the answer. What can I do?..

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As I see it, it's not mean to point out when someone's contradicting him/herself. If you've got an opinion, for god's sake stand up for it even though your favourite band might not agree - it's ok to accept someone else's opinion, but if you don't agree with it or understand how somebody could have that view, you'd do well to point it out so that you won't come across as, say, a fanboy.

For now, I shall retreat back into the shadows again.

 

[King Chaos]

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As I see it, it's not mean to point out when someone's contradicting him/herself. If you've got an opinion, for god's sake stand up for it even though your favourite band might not agree - it's ok to accept someone else's opinion, but if you don't agree with it or understand how somebody could have that view, you'd do well to point it out so that you won't come across as, say, a fanboy.

For now, I shall retreat back into the shadows again.

the way I see that is - I think he/she found it emotionally satisfying that Niklas acually answered (like some kind of victory/achievement)... but wasn't satisfied with the content of the answer. Using the same word twice like that does sound pretty contradictory though. Ok... I admit it... I just wanted to call someone mean!

Hey NL... why in the shadows so much?

 

[Siren]

Anyway, Siren... our team won at the Game :hotjump:

Wheeeeeeeee :hotjump:

the way I see that is - I think he/she found it emotionally satisfying that Niklas acually answered (like some kind of victory/achievement)...

i understand this pov, but the way i see it people shouldn't feel that way about this kind of things.

Ok... I admit it... I just wanted to call someone mean!

you... you!



@NL: don't stay in the shadows, fair lady.

 

[rahvin]

the way i see it people shouldn't feel that way about this kind of things.

years ago, when a rather well-known writer replied to an e-mail i wrote her, i felt quite emotional about it. it'd still make me quite enthusiastic if i were to receive the opinions of certain individuals whose art/work/music/acting/singing/etc. i admire. things like jumping around on the bed or showing all your friends the incriminating reply you probably grow out of in time, but to me it seems a little extreme to want to dictate how people should feel about something.

 

[TheNewBuild]

Lol, exactly :Smug:

Another thing that was funny, the post was made by Caotico?
Yet everyone feels the urge to adres to him with his name (omg you know his name! Well done! Its in every interview, on every cd case...Ah you know. (edit: Why not "Mr. Sundin" next time eh? Who knows,..*shuts up* Where did all that come from so suddenly ) What the hell.
(tho the av gives a hint ..but then, it doesnt have to)

I can answer for myself, I referred to him as NIKLAS, cuz that's how I know him... I mean, I usually say Niklas when talking about DT, so it came kinda naturally...
No need to get all jumpy

@TheNewBuild: Does your ceiling differ much from mine?

...where we see each other

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... you know what! From now on I consider you being my soulmate! That is THE EXACT line I often think of and when I was writing that previous post, that came to my mind and I wanted to put that in parenthesis... SO UNBELIEVABLE!

You just made my day!!!

 

[The Grand Wazoo]

Uhoh

*starts running*





Well, I think Siren and I just thought it was too typical.. (dunno, cant speak for her)

 

[TheNewBuild]

Uhoh

*starts running*





Well, I think Siren and I just thought it was too typical.. (dunno, cant speak for her)

Hahaha, damn you

What was too typical? That someone mentioned the word "ceiling"?

 

[Hitori]

actually I agree with Siren and Wazoo. of course I have been excited when I meet authors or other creative people whose work I admire, but there's a difference between admiring their work and idealizing them and treating them as gods.

I think what bothers Siren (or what bothers me) is that people in this thread had already said the exact SAME things the band member in question said, but the guy kept dismissing them and whining about how his heroes didnt match up to the attitude he wants them to have about their work. but of course, as long as a band member replied, then its all ok. im sure Caotico/Niklas/Mr.Sundin could've said "I enjoy piña coladas" and the person in question would still have been thrilled and closed the thread.

 

[Siren]

Hitori and Wazoo covered me.

@rahvin: i'm not trying to dictate anything, i was merely pointing out the way i see it.
Sure you can feel as emotional as you want about these things (for one, i have in the past and i might again in the future), but in the end of the day how much does it matter? Did you really accomplish anything?

The bottom line is that they are just normal people. Forgive me, but it's hard for me to imagine the same amount of enthusiasm for receiving a reply from, say, your best friend (or whatever).

/Siren (nihilistic, today)

 

[rahvin]

I think what bothers Siren (or what bothers me) is that people in this thread had already said the exact SAME things the band member in question said, but the guy kept dismissing them

i agree with that part. i just feel it's a little too judgemental to bash him 'cause he got excited and addressed his idol in a familiar way. true, you grow out of the idealization at some point in your life. but without knowing how old blind tranquillity is, and assuming he hasn't exactly spent a whole lot of time around his favorite musicians, i think you people are employing an excess of cynicism.

@siren: i'm not sure if it matters or not. maybe feeling all enthusiastic about a guitarist in a metal band replying to his mail matters a lot to blind tranquillity. i can probably say that right now i wouldn't share his excitement, but shouldn't feel sounds awfully preachy to me. then again, it's probably just about your choice of words and my perception of it. as for not being so happy about getting an answer from your best friend, i never implied it would be so. yet again, what is it about it that makes it wrong? immoral? insensitive? i think it's just so normal i can hardly imagine a mind that wouldn't react in the same way, given the circumstances.

 

[TheNewBuild]

im sure Caotico/Niklas/Mr.Sundin could've said "I enjoy piña coladas" and the person in question would still have been thrilled and closed the thread.

Well, now you're simplifying the matter a bit too much. I think that the main reason for the person in question's enthusiam and satisfaction over *careful mode on* Caotico's *careful mode off* answer was the fact that the answer was actually given by the person who's interview he was analyzing... Even if Caotico did confirm what forum members have thought, it was better than what the rest of the ppl said, cuz HE said it and he was directly involved in the thread from the beginning. All the rest was just a pure speculation.

That's my humble opinion... still, we'd have to ask Blind Tranquillity.

 

[rahvin]

i was merely pointing out the way i see it.

as a random question, and with no intention of being snotty, i'd like to ask my fellow forumers this: is it ok to debate the content of what someone else has said in his/her post, even if it's obviously his/her opinion?

for instance, if a poster says "i think that human kind should be mercilessly vaporized", do you think it's acceptable to debate the opinion that human kind should be mercilessly vaporized, or is the "i think" clause a valid disclaimer not to be called out on what you say?

because it seems to me that nine times out of ten, some sort of automatic "but this is my opinion and opinions are subjective so if this is the way i see something no one else should have any say in it" reply occurs. personally (<-- please note the universal disclaimer) i find that this negates the purpose of having any kind of discussion, except chatty small-talk. however, if that's the general consensus, i'll just leave matters alone.

 

[TheNewBuild]

As for enthusiasm you're all mentioning... I'm a VERY enthusiastic person and my happiness is reflected with a lot of enthusiastic sentences, jumping, trembling... it's the only way I know how to react, cuz I go through my feelings very intensively and since I feel the huuuge emotional ball inside me, I have to have such an enthusiastic walve (let's call it that way).

One more thing that was bothering me.... so DT members are HUMANS?? Noooooo??! I'd never say that... C'mon! Like I didn't know that.. THAT'S not the point.. it's just that it's not every day I get to talk to someone I admire.

I know you all get it and are too mature/grown to act that way, but I can't help it..
When I experience an emotion then it is sth really STRONG and people who are capable of making me feel that way (especially when it has sth do with music) are a prefectly good reason for me to react how I usually react.

 

[Hitori]

so in conclusion what we all learned in that TheNewBuild and Blind Tranquillity are the same person with different accounts

 

[TheNewBuild]

is it ok to debate the content of what someone else has said in his/her post, even if it's obviously his/her opinion?

Absolutely!
Why wouldn't we exchange opinions, elaborate them and have a discussion?! It's about expressing your own opinion, because you saw what someone else wrote. Nothing wrong with discussions