TheNewBuild
Not Built To Last
Hitori said:so in conclusion what we all learned in that TheNewBuild and Blind Tranquillity are the same person with different accounts
Sure.. nice try of diversion
Something that bothers me about DT
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Sure.. nice try of diversion
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Hitori said:so in conclusion what we all learned in that TheNewBuild and Blind Tranquillity are the same person with different accounts
and the ability to teleport from a continent to the other overnight, judging by their ip addresses.
It's one thing to get excited and quite another to give up your point of view in the (esp. virtual) sight of your favourite musician, no matter your age.rahvin said:
It's quite obvious that it matters quite a lot to BT (hence this discussion), but my point was that i don't think it really makes a difference in the greater scale.
I'm not trying to be preachy, i'm sorry if my choice of words doesn't meet your needs and/or standards. I'm just trying to express my opinion.
My infamous quote that "people shouldn't feel this way" was just an attempt at pointing out the need for some down-to-earth realism.
Again, i was not suggesting anything is wrong or immoral or insensitive about not feeling the same way for receiving a mail from a regular friend, i was just drawing the contradiction: in both cases you receive a mail from someone important to you, who you obviously hold in high esteem, but you just so happen to feel more excited by receiving a mail from the one least close to you.
And last but not least, that's exactly my point: it's just so normal.
I think there are at least a few people who wouldn't react like that anyways, so your imagination must be a bit limited.
Just for the record, i never said it's not ok to discuss it because it's my opinion. The whole quote wasrahvin said:
Siren said:
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Siren said:
wait a second. you were already done reprimanding him for his sudden turntable when i criticized the "shouldn't feel" post. you were rounding in on him for - like the king chaos quote you commented - "finding it emotionally satisfying that niklas commented". that's what you addressed your post at. in fact, you explicitly said that you understand that point of view but that people shouldn't feel that way. if you meant what you say above, instead, you should have been clearer.
this is a moot point. the same could be said about our whole round of posting, if we pick a big enough scale. first define your frame of reference, then. otherwise you can keep jumping from one level to another calling any objection irrelevant in the bigger picture. if it's the bigger picture of giving meaning to one's life we're talking about, then you're absolutely right: bt cheering niklas is unlikely to matter that much.
it's about expressing your opinion so that it can be understood, i don't think there's any other standard.
i can see the interest in speculating on this subject. was someone objecting to it?
oh, good. it was mine too.
it's said that literal-mindedness constitutes a limit in itself.
well, no. check the thread and the replies a little better. the reply you quoted didn't have anything to do with the "shouldn't feel" post, i was commenting on your reply to Hitori.rahvin said:
and well, shoot me for having more than one point to make on this thread.
you're right, i never claimed that this whole round of discussion was of any real importance. in fact, it's growing old.
understanding is a two-way process, it can fail at both ends.
ya hear that?
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Arch said:
*checks to see if sot2.0 is still down and finds it's not*
ok, arch is a great moderator too.
Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
TheNewBuild
Not Built To Last
Arch said:Let's add this question and Niklas' (aka Caotico)'s reponse to DT's FAQ!
HAHAHAHA... Good one!
Hello there!
Sorry I'm late. I've been in the army ...
I didn't imagine such a big argument will come out of this.
I thought I cleared things out before I left. Appearently I didn't...
As for me getting a reply from a band member: it is a very big thing for me. I've gotten used to not get replies from the band members and I guess this is the first one I've gotten in the last 2 years or so. So I think my enthusiasm can be understood. Especially when the band member flatters me (saying it's an interesting discussion).
My point of view really didn't change much, I still believe it's ideal that bands will enjoy their own music and be able to judge it in an objective way. I believe in trying to be as objective as possible in general, though I'm aware it's not easy. Niklas' (or Caotico's) reply only made me face some reality that I can't deny even if I don't like it, maybe now I'm not as naive as before... Should I feel sorry for not arguing with him and trying to make him ashamed for not listening to his music? I don't think so... Except for being impolite and ungrateful, I think it's would've been pointless. As I said, I was more curious to know the reason than angry about the subject.
I think that by getting the reply that it's an interesting discussion I reached as far as I could with this subject, since it means Caotico (or Niklas...) read what I said and didn't simply ignore it, and that he's aware of the subject and is not doing what he does out of lack of attention to it's importance. I can only hope that I might've pointed out some things that will enter his awareness and consideration.
Nevertheless, (as I've already said) it might've sounded as if I was just a silly fanboy in the end. I might've said things I didn't fully mean or just didn't express myself properly. I'd like to blame it on my enthusiasm if you don't mind. Anyway it was only one post, so please forgive me if you can.
btw, kinda funny that all through the (first) discussion almost everyone were defending the band and coming up with different reasons why it's okay for a band to not listen to it's own material (a thing which still sounds quite reasonable to me to expect from a good band), and I'm the one who came out the fanboy in the end...
Sorry I'm late. I've been in the army
... I didn't imagine such a big argument will come out of this.
I thought I cleared things out before I left. Appearently I didn't...
As for me getting a reply from a band member: it is a very big thing for me. I've gotten used to not get replies from the band members and I guess this is the first one I've gotten in the last 2 years or so. So I think my enthusiasm can be understood. Especially when the band member flatters me (saying it's an interesting discussion).
My point of view really didn't change much, I still believe it's ideal that bands will enjoy their own music and be able to judge it in an objective way. I believe in trying to be as objective as possible in general, though I'm aware it's not easy. Niklas' (or Caotico's) reply only made me face some reality that I can't deny even if I don't like it, maybe now I'm not as naive as before... Should I feel sorry for not arguing with him and trying to make him ashamed for not listening to his music? I don't think so... Except for being impolite and ungrateful, I think it's would've been pointless. As I said, I was more curious to know the reason than angry about the subject.
I think that by getting the reply that it's an interesting discussion I reached as far as I could with this subject, since it means Caotico (or Niklas...) read what I said and didn't simply ignore it, and that he's aware of the subject and is not doing what he does out of lack of attention to it's importance. I can only hope that I might've pointed out some things that will enter his awareness and consideration.
Nevertheless, (as I've already said) it might've sounded as if I was just a silly fanboy in the end. I might've said things I didn't fully mean or just didn't express myself properly. I'd like to blame it on my enthusiasm if you don't mind. Anyway it was only one post, so please forgive me if you can.
btw, kinda funny that all through the (first) discussion almost everyone were defending the band and coming up with different reasons why it's okay for a band to not listen to it's own material (a thing which still sounds quite reasonable to me to expect from a good band), and I'm the one who came out the fanboy in the end...
The Grand Wazoo
Saeva Indignatio
Hitori said:actually that is a very good point
i guess we're all fanboys/girls to a certain degree, i mean, we ARE in their forum
Heheheh
Nice
(But we're like....so much true-er
)
Phyros
Blue Jesus
No, you are all a bunch of elitist assholes.
-Andreas (it is lonely on the top, but it is nice to look down on all the others)
-Andreas (it is lonely on the top, but it is nice to look down on all the others)
Hey!
That's not a very nice way to agree with this point I made.
After making fun of me like that, at least (if you agree) say something like 'it was wrong of us to make fun of you' or something of that sort...
Well, I guess that you agreeing should be enough. I can't really expect you to say something like 'we were so hypocrite and are really ashamed of ourselves right now' or anything of that sort.
That's not a very nice way to agree with this point I made.
After making fun of me like that, at least (if you agree) say something like 'it was wrong of us to make fun of you' or something of that sort...
Well, I guess that you agreeing should be enough. I can't really expect you to say something like 'we were so hypocrite and are really ashamed of ourselves right now' or anything of that sort.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Blind Tranquillity said:
yes, i guess that would mean that people are taking this as seriously as you, which is hopefully not the case.
I'm not really taking it that seriously. I was kind of exaggerating on purpose.
I was just saying what seemed to be more fit in my eyes. I mean, saying that I have a good point and smiling, while that point means that it was wrong (not in an aweful way, but still wrong) to do you did, seems like to be leaving yourself out and not taking the guilt that you're actually admitting that you should have, doesn't it?...
I was just saying what seemed to be more fit in my eyes. I mean, saying that I have a good point and smiling, while that point means that it was wrong (not in an aweful way, but still wrong) to do you did, seems like to be leaving yourself out and not taking the guilt that you're actually admitting that you should have, doesn't it?...
well, i dont know if you noticed, but i never tried to justify the band's not listening to their albums (as personally i dont give a fuck). i just agreed at the part in which i found silly how you fawned over caotico's reply after dismissing pages of other people's.
and it happens that i also agree that we all are in a way fanboys or fangirls.
is there ANY way to please you? i dont see why i should apologise for stating my opinion in a respectful way, and no, i dont think i did anything wrong, nor do i feel any kind of guilt.
maybe i should ask caotico to say what i just said in this post, so you understand
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