stirrin' the pot

[Windom Pearl]

Disclaimer : I'm a musican, not politican! I actually don't know a shit about these issues.

1. Genetic Engineering

This can be used for so much good. The wild visions about 1 million clones of Saddam Hussein are nothing but a good laugh. But...who the fuck needs bigger tomatoes or something? We already have enough food for everyone on this planet. On the other hand we can get rid of diseases and so on...so much good. I don't care if we mess with mother nature. We've already done it in so many ways, that now it's an open war. What else is for example HIV, than nature's way to reduce mankind that is WAY too big? But if we win this war, by inveting the cure or immunication for all the nature's ways to get into balance, we'll eventually eat each other here.

2. Presence of US or UN troops in other countries

A double-edged sword. Things could jump right into ass without them, but then again, they're messing with what aren't their business. I think the way they put their nose everywhere and usually do nothing but harm sucks big time, but for me personally it doesn't matter. And in a way it's good someone tries to settle those fighting idiots.

3. Pornography

Hellyeah!
It's just that when having a relationship with great sex involved, you don't need that shit But when you're lonely and feeling massive urge, porn can be useful. Anyway, as a BUSINESS it really is a plague. Drugs, kids, animals...makes my stomach turn.

4. Abortion

A big yes. One can get pregnant no matter how hard trying not to. There are all these ways from condoms to pills, and the...emhhhm.."penitence pills" a girl can take after sex if you break your condom...and still there are so much accidental pregnancies. It can be just because of the stupidity of people, but actually it's pretty easy to break your condom, and the next day notice that the girl has forgotten her contraceptive pill...BELIEVE ME

5. Affirmative Action

I have to admit I have no idea what this means. HELP.

 

[luke]

Originally posted by Windom Pearl
Disclaimer : I'm a musican, not politican! I actually don't know a shit about these issues.

1. Genetic Engineering

who the fuck needs bigger tomatoes or something? We already have enough food for everyone on this planet.
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if it were not for the disclaimer, I would be tempted to jump down your throat for that one...
just because people in the developed world have more than they can eat (and consequently end up eating more) doesn't mean that there aren't some places where a lot of people live with hunger for their best friend.

 

[Windom Pearl]

Originally posted by luke
just because people in the developed world have more than they can eat (and consequently end up eating more) doesn't mean that there aren't some places where a lot of people live with hunger for their best friend.

I'm aware of that. But there's still enough food for everyone. It just isn't shared. That's fucking wrong. But that's also how the developed countries manage to keep their quality of life. What I ment was that instead of spending money and resources on developing bigger tomatoes, the regular tomatoes could be sent to people starving.

Add: No I don't think that if we sent tomatoes to developing countries our lifequality would suffer at ALL. But you do know that capitalism works because some are rich and some are poor. If we shared "our" riches with the developing countries, they wouldn't be poor anymore and our economy would suffer. That's why the food isn't shared.

 

[HoserHellspawn]

Windom -

Affirmative Action is a political policy that attempts to combat prejudice by government intervention. Basically, the primary case is that of employment hiring practices - quotas are set based on ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, whatever, so that everybody has to have a certain number of each "minority" group in their businesses. Also, there are things like government scholarships for minorities, these quotas could be set on schools, whatever. There's probably a better definition, but...

The major arguments for is that something needs to be done about discrimination, and this is the only way to secure equal oppourtunity in this prejudiced world, and the major arguments against is that the policy is in and of itself discrimination, it creates inequal oppourtunity, and you can't combat discrimination with discrimination.

...hope that helps...

 

[Windom Pearl]

Thanks, Hoser-man!

5. Affirmative action

Oh Fuckn'hell. I've never thought about this very far. But that's propabaly because it's a hard issue. I don't know. They're into a good thing here, but this maybe isn't the right way. Makes nobody happy, I think. Really talented people may be left off because of this... And if a workcommunity is forced to accept a person they wouldn't normally accept, there are options.

1. They eventually notice that the person is OK.
2. They all the time act towards the person as they were total asses.
3. They ignore the person as much as possible.

How likely is it for option 1 to happen?
On the other hand not all the people are afraid of minorities...maybe I'm too negative here...

 

[discouraged1]

Hey, I'm poor.
Send me a big tomato.
A BIG ultra-giga-mega TOMATO.

Cheerz

 

[Protocol]

silhouette -

95% of abortions are performed as means of birth control. 1% because of incest or rape, 1% because of fetal abnormalities and 3% due to health problems.

If the subject had been specified as abortion of pregnancies resulting from rape, then I would have discussed that, but in lack of such specification, my previous answer is quite sufficient in this aspect.

It doesn't fly out the window at all huh. Short questions call for short answers.

As for prevention - there are certainly 100% safe methods. Sterilization for example, and not having intercourse, though I doubt that'll ever be a popular solution. I hear vasectomies are reversible these days too, should you want to have children at some point.

Perhaps you're just not prepared to take responsibility for your own actions?

Try again. =)

 

[Silhouette]

It's got nothing to do with me not wanting to take responsibility. I'm 17 and obviously vasectomy is out of the question. I think it's more responsible to consider abortion. At my age and current status, it'd make no sense for me to have a child. I have no means of supporting it and mine and the childs life would be not good at all.

 

[Satori]

Ok abortion must be legal! Life is not some great thing, it's life, it's everywhere, it abundant, it's inconsequential, it's everything and it's nothing. It is what you think it is, but what you think it is is not what it is. Opinion does not constitute fact.

Also, there is no god, just thought I'd throw that in to stir some shit, hehe.

ta-ta,

Satori

 

[love]

Silhouette

Have you considered adoption?


Satori

ok i'll bite...

Why is there no God?



I just got Still Life woooooheeeeaaaaaa!!!!
uh hum excuse me.

LOVE
Love

 

[Lina]

oh lord, satori, don't waste your time.

 

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by love
Silhouette

Have you considered adoption?

Ummm ... not quite following ya love. I don't want a child at 17. I take necessary precautions, but if it somehow happens that I get someone pregnant, I don't think the childs and my life should be screwed up because of something as simple as a broken condom.

BTW, I know quite alot about adoption, my sister is adopted. It's a very lenghty and costly process unfortunately.

P.S ... congrats on getting Still Life, you won't regret it, hehe

 

[love]

Silhouette

hehe i meant would you consider having the child and giving it up for adoption. sorry for the misunderstandng.

see ya
Love

 

[Silhouette]

Ahhhh ... I get ya now. To be honest, it'd be good to have some say in it, but ultimately I would leave it up to the girl.

 

[HoserHellspawn]

Hahahaha... Satori, you rule! I don't think I'd have the balls to come out and say that, that life is abundant, common, and not even remotely sacred.

As much as I'd rather "write my own material" so to speak, I've got to go back to George Carlin on this one. "The Sanctity of Life" - we made it up. Why? Because we're alive! Creatures that are alive have a strong interest in pushing the notion that life is sacred. It's all self-interest.

Incidentally, I'd LOVE to hear you tell us why there is no god, but it's of course up to you whether or not you want to do ALL that typing

 

[Melancholia]

hehe i meant would you consider having the child and giving it up for adoption.

I am sorry,but I have to say this is quite naive.... It's easy to say such a thing, but isn't it like disclaiming your responsibility??? In the case of an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy the question should be either keeping the child and offering the best you can or dropping it...You can't just give birth to a child and then don't care a damn about it......
Perhaps would you like to explain us a bit more your reasoning?


to SIHLOUETTE: I think those "accidents" aren't soooooo often.Even a broken condom doesn't necessarily lead to pregnancy... A woman can get pregnant only during some specific days... I think the usual cause of unwanted pregnancies is inadequate precautions... (like wrong use of the condom, not taking the pills regularly and so on......).


So,guys don't get so panicked....Precautions and a bit of moderation during the "dangerous days" (and even avoiding having sex with anyone....a steady realtionship is far better for several reasons) can help you avoid a lot of trouble until you reach an age where you can fully take the responsibility of your actions....

Generally i am for abortion when the "worst" has happened..... but PREVENTION should always come first...

To be honest, it'd be good to have some say in it, but ultimately I would leave it up to the girl.

Yeah,do so......and you'll may end up with serious trouble.....

 

[Silhouette]

Opposed to forcing my views on the female that is carrying the child? I don't think so ...

 

[love]

I just mentioned adoption because its an option. Personally I dont feel strongly either way towards adoption. I do feel its an option though. If someone is nowhere near capable or prepared to take care of the life theyve created, even if accidental or unwanted, i dont think saying Kill It is the only way. I simply mentioned it because in reading through the posts I didnt see it anywhere else, thats all. I agree you cant give birth to a child and then not love it. Does being willing give up the child so that it can be given a better life than you could provide mean you love it less, or more? As for disclaiming responsibility, yeah you can call it that but you could also call it looking out for a childs best interests. Just another option, thats all.

Later
Love

 

[Melancholia]

Love,
I'm not sure whether this option will lead to the "desirable results"... What if noone adopts the child and he/she spends his childhood and teen years living in an orphanage?.....And even if some family adopts it, most of these children go through a lot of pain-even if the natural parents had good reasons for giving the child to adoption,children can't realise that,they usually take it as abandonment...Should i also mention society's discrimination??.....Giving the child to adoption is no guarantee for a better life/future,we can't predict what will happen ..... Surely our whole life is a risk,but to my mind this risk is quite big....
: (

Opposed to forcing my views on the female that is carrying the child? I don't think so ...

of course no....opposed to "ultimately I leaving it up to the girl"