Suicide

[Frodnat]

Egocentrism may be there right, but what kind of fear is strong enough to overcome your fear of death?

The fear of living. Most of the people that try to kill themselves know exactly what it does feel to die.

I was in a clinical therapy last year, with lots of borderliners, people who tried to kill themselves, with alcohol and drug problems, people like you and me . I never tried to do it, because I know why all of them tried to it and know why they harm themselves... and I know why I thought that the world isn´t what it is... Why people aren´t the people they are... they are bastards, sad bastards, childish monsters... BASTARDS !!!

Traumatic events in the past, hidden down below, forgotten, are the problems most often.


@ VultureCulture... Maybe it just looks like egocentrism, because when people are at the point of killing themselves they very often behave emotionally like little children. They feel like children in these times... and children are egocentric very often. I don´t think you can blame someone in such a situation of being egocentric. It seems the only way out, there seems to be no way out of this shit... but there is one, not one, but many ways... actually an infinite numbers of ways.

 

[rafael]

you can actually sleep without killing yourself i think...

not forever...

 

[Bastet]

in what way do they behave like children?

 

[Frodnat]

in what way do they behave like children?

only emotionally, sometimes, not all... I don´t wanted to generalize, but the emotions of a person in such a situation could be really extreme and childish and this is because they got something like a view of the world in which everything is somehow associated with emotions they had a long time ago.

 

[Dora]

IMO most people kill themself because they don't ever want to die, and death pisses them off. Lack of humility. But its a big mistake to scold them. They are not informed enough, they just dont know things (well). E.g. some ppl dont know how to live without pain. And those "clever" pert simpletons who dont know what its all about would better shut up.

I really dont like this common bullshiting about "cowards left their poor family" either. Fuck, healthy people are not co-dependent mother theresas.. "my child wont see me bleedin dead" is not a goal of life. People must respect themselves for first, and if they can really make such a strong decision then they should do it, and its OK, and if they dont, then they must do all shitty work that's needed for enjoying a life.

And staying alive is not a big deal, lots of ppl who performed this great achievement (that they didnt kill themselves) are not really living, i think.. Eating, shitting and being drunk is still far from "life", and most of those cheeky bastards who wear masks of a grin and seem to know everything, are just fucking living dead. They spit themselves in the face. And those who cant bear such anomalies, they may try to kill the dead - so again, its about pride (and some egoism). Pretend that your life is worthy and important and you enjoy it or start whining about hell - its the same, little gods.
Much humbleness is needed for true happyness I think.

 

[Dhatura]

Much humbleness is needed for true happyness I think.

Indeed, indeed ?:?:/

 

[Frodnat]

IMO most people kill themself because they don't ever want to die, and death pisses them off. Lack of humility. But its a big mistake to scold them. They are not informed enough, they just dont know things (well). E.g. some ppl dont know how to live without pain. And those "clever" pert simpletons who dont know what its all about would better shut up.

I really dont like this common bullshiting about "cowards left their poor family" either. Fuck, healthy people are not co-dependent mother theresas.. "my child wont see me bleedin dead" is not a goal of life. People must respect themselves for first, and if they can really make such a strong decision then they should do it, and its OK, and if they dont, then they must do all shitty work that's needed for enjoying a life.

And staying alive is not a big deal, lots of ppl who performed this great achievement (that they didnt kill themselves) are not really living, i think.. Eating, shitting and being drunk is still far from "life", and most of those cheeky bastards who wear masks of a grin and seem to know everything, are just fucking living dead. They spit themselves in the face. And those who cant bear such anomalies, they may try to kill the dead - so again, its about pride (and some egoism). Pretend that your life is worthy and important and you enjoy it or start whining about hell - its the same, little gods.
Much humbleness is needed for true happyness I think.

As it always is... the answers is in the middle.

Humbleness can also be a chain... sometimes, when it comes to the point to really express oneself... But when you think about what really is important in life then you come to a point where humbleness is very important.

It is hard to find the midway, especially when there lie some extreme events in your past...

 

[Malaclypse]

btw, if i were to commit suicide, i would choose a way where i'm definetely dead, or not? suicide is about dying, right? well why won't just everyone jump off a high cliff or in front of a train? because they don't really want to die, quite a lot are crying for help with this action. people who take 20 aspirine and think they'll die from that, well i guess they're perfectly aware of the fact that they are not going to, but everyone will realize this as an attempt. so if this is the case, they're even more selfish and arrogant, leaving their relatives shocked and amazed. why don't they just think of other ways to solve the mess?
speaking of borderliners, i know one, and it's been the same case with her. always slashing her wrists and stuff like that just to get that little bit of attention. i don't know what's going on in their minds, but the problem is that they are in fact proud of being borderliners. i just don't get it. am i too normal?

 

[Dora]

As it always is... the answers is in the middle.

Humbleness can also be a chain...

humble or humility is not a negative word i think, but i understand what youre talking about, "too humble" or faint-hearted and that..
I talked about such point when someone realize that hes not the center of the universe and hes gonna fucking die after all and it doesnt even matter.. As an opposite to those Little God-like creatures -or the childish - who think the world is only for entertaining them and everything else is unjust..

"This species has amused itself to death."

 

[Frodnat]

@ Vulture Culture:

Borderliners... they hurting themselves instead of the ones that caused their scars in their souls and on the surface. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting some attention... help maybe.

Proud of being borderline? Proud of being raped in their childhood...???

I DON`T THINK SO!!! Maybe proud about the fact that they survived a traumatic event that they can´t remember...

Many borderliners are emotional very unstable, that´s a fact and makes it really hard to cope with them, especially when they refuse to open the eyes to the scars that really hurts... that´s the problem. Pain hurts... the absence of pain not.

Maybe you know to good what is going on in their minds, maybe that´s the problem... Do you got something in common with the girl who is borderline? I don´t know, but you maybe...

Sweet dreams...

 

[Frodnat]

humble or humility is not a negative word i think, but i understand what youre talking about, "too humble" or faint-hearted and that..
I talked about such point when someone realize that hes not the center of the universe and hes gonna fucking die after all and it doesnt even matter.. As an opposite to those Little God-like creatures -or the childish - who think the world is only for entertaining them and everything else is unjust..

"This species has amused itself to death."

You are generalizing... and what the others do... don´t care about them! You got not so much in common with them!


"To be extreme so it seems is a mental crutch..." - Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.)

Yes it is a mental crutch.

 

[mehdi.i.e.e.e]

what a load of bollocks, i cant keep up like.

 

[Mariner]

id jump from a cliff. if am old and battered id like to have one last kick :hotjump:

 

[Susie]

I think you must be sick, if you even consider it, and if anyone does dont fuckin write to me on the dear susie column, because i,ll tell you to fuck off

 

[Strangelight]

As its often not peoples fault that they get depressed, its also often not peoples fault that they're naive and ignorant about such things. Get a grip like you people.

 

[Susie]

As its often not peoples fault that they get depressed, its also often not peoples fault that they're naive and ignorant about such things. Get a grip like you people.

dunc that was rather gentle the way you put your opinion across , was it because i was a bit hard you should prehaps be the one to answer some problems, ...... i think my time has ended

 

[Mariner]

I think you must be sick, if you even consider it, and if anyone does dont fuckin write to me on the dear susie column, because i,ll tell you to fuck off

Im not battered yet, so dont worry for now
but seriously, if i feel Im a threat for people cause they have to take care of me, and if theres no possibility to get better, ill finish myself i guess. for myself and for the other people. its a double victory you see?

 

[Strangelight]

Ah no it wasnt aimed at you, I didnt even see your post Just a general thing like. Alright, some people have been through some real hardcore shit like, but it doesnt mean the luckier people are inferior. Even if they are a bit naive like.

 

[Ivo]

 

[sol83]

not forever...

if i feed you with all the sedating pills i have in the closet that's 3 meters away from me right now, you'll sleep more than forever, trust me...