Techincal (math) metal

Cheiron said:
John, thanks =D You should try out Anata and Aghora.

And I'm not sure why you'd put Death in second tier. Their 2000-2003 material, when they had some of the primary talent from Cynic, is definitely first tier.

Aghora is in my complex prog list. Decent disc, although I never listen to it. I am curious to hear the new material though. I like the last two Anata discs, but I don't consider them complex. A song or two on the last one are involved, but not the disc as a whole. Just my opinion.

As far as Death goes, Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance are in my first tier, and Human is in my second tier. I don't care much for Symbolic. Believe me, I know how brilliant Chuck and company were. Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance are in my top 50 of all time.
 
Palabra de Dios said:
Between the Buried and Me is a surprisingly great metalcore band that is mixed in with a terrible genre. They would fit in in any metal show, but are way above the average cut of American metalcore.

Agreed, although I like some of the better thrashy/melodic death metalcore out there. Protest the Hero and Reflux are two other core bands that are rather unique and excellent.
 
I also recommend Sleep Terror. They are a technical instrumental band, that plays in a very deathy style. I would call it death metal (even though there are no vocals) simply because of the drum style (blastbeats, etc.).

http://www.myspace.com/sleepterror

Also, my friend is in a melodic/tech-death band with very evident metalcore influences. They are called By the Sins Fell Angels, and I think they kick all sorts of ass, compared to most of the stuff in Columbia, SC and Augusta, GA. Check them out too:

http://www.myspace.com/bythesinsfellangels

Cheers
 
johnfrank1970 said:
Mike likes a lot of this stuff too. He's just not quite as committed as I am o_O

BTW, for some reason, my edit adding Serdce - Cyberly to my list won't work. Oh well. I doubt a lot of people here will be flooding my e-mail account noting the omission :)

WTF? what about me fool? Yousa sucka!
 
johnfrank1970 said:
Aghora is in my complex prog list. Decent disc, although I never listen to it. I am curious to hear the new material though. I like the last two Anata discs, but I don't consider them complex. A song or two on the last one are involved, but not the disc as a whole. Just my opinion.

As far as Death goes, Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance are in my first tier, and Human is in my second tier. I don't care much for Symbolic. Believe me, I know how brilliant Chuck and company were. Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance are in my top 50 of all time.


Aghora is great. Sucks that Andy DeLuca had to leave the band.
 
Pellaz said:
Where would Spiral Architect fit in? Or Meshuggah?

I put Spiral Architect under Technical Metal. They aren't thrashy like WatchTower, they obviously aren't death metal, and they are much more musically involved than complex prog. They're in a class of their own. Obviously, WatchTower is the closest reference. Both Control and Resistance and A Sceptic's Universe are in my top 10 of all time.

I never got into Meshuggah, and I don't really hear the complexity that a lot of people believe is there. I am not a musician, so I will take their word for it, but I just find them to be rather boring.
 
johnfrank1970 said:
I never got into Meshuggah, and I don't really hear the complexity that a lot of people believe is there.

Huh? These guys play the most odd timing signatures than just about any band on the face of the Earth. Talk about complex song structure...they've got it and then some.
 
Ascension said:
Huh? These guys play the most odd timing signatures than just about any band on the face of the Earth. Talk about complex song structure...they've got it and then some.

Yep. In fact, when I played Spiral Architect and Cynic this past week on WREKage (thanks Cheiron for the excellent request :headbang: ), I was fairly sure we'd get a Meshuggah request shortly thereafter, and joked about it on the air.

Normally I wouldn't play two technical bands like that back-to-back ("it's a math metal two-fer!"), but I had to head out for home, and those two CDs are mine, not the radio station's. :D
 
The reason the complexity of Meshuggah can possibly be lost on someone is the fact that for the most part their riffs are atonal. They usually string together some pretty complex rhythms with no melody (i.e. one chord over and over). Through a ton of distortion (and the use of 8-string guitars!), they pretty much utilize guitars as percussion instruments in many songs.

But I'm not saying you have to like the band, there are many who don't...and I agree that they are not as technical as many of the bands so far mentioned...however, they bring the "math" :).
 
For fans of the techincal death metal stuff, check out Beneath the Massacre.

All they have out at the moment is a 5 song EP, however with just this EP, I'd consider them one of, if not the best band in all of death metal.
 
johnfrank1970 said:
I have been a fan of complex/technical metal for a long time now, and I've amassed quite a collection of bands that I think fit the bill or at least would be of interest to fans of complex music. I have some compilation CDRs I am happy to send to people in order to turn them on to new bands in this subgenre. If interested, e-mail me at johnfrank1970 at yahoo.com.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from, my list of complex releases I like is below, followed by lists of my faves.

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX DEATH

Absonant Cadence (Inside Out-Life)
Absorbed (Avowals compilation)
Acid Death (Random's Manifest)
Alarum (Promo 2002, Eventuality)
Aletheian (Dying Vine)
Algophobia (s/t)
Amnesia (Land of No Return)
Atheist (Unquestionable Presence, Elements)
Aydra (Icon of Sin, Hyperlogical Non-sense)
Banisher (Sorrow of Death Demo)
Between the Buried and Me (Alaska)
Cadaveric Crematorium (Serial Grinder)
Canvas Solaris (Promo 2001)
Capharnaum (Fractured)
Carcariass (Killing Process)
Centaurus A (Narcotic Demo)
Coprofago (Genesis)
Cryptopsy (And Then You'll Beg)
Cynic (Focus)
Darkness Remains (To Touch the Depths of Sorrow)
Deadborn (Decades of Decapitation Demo)
Death (Individual Thought Patterns, The Sound of Perseverance)
Decapitated (Nihility, Winds of Creation)
Deeds of Flesh (Inbreeding the Anthropophagi)
Demilich (Nespithe)
Detachment (Suspended in Stone)
Dim Mak (Enter the Dragon)
Dissonance (Look to Forget)
Dive In Minds (Innocent Victims)
Domination through Impurity (Essence of Brutality)
Dungortheb (Intended To...)
Ebony Lake (On the Eve of the Grimly Inventive)
Embrionic Death (Stream of Solidarity... Demo)
Ephel Duath (Phormula, The Painter's Palette)
Epoch of Unlight (What Will Be Has Been)
Esicastic (Atman Demo)
Exivious (Demo)
Forlorn Legacy (Paths of Insanity)
Gorguts (Obscura)
Gorod/Gorgasm [France] (Neurotripsicks)
Gory Blister (Skymorphosis, Art Bleeds, Cognitive Sinergy EP)
Hectic Patterns (The Grand Hare Order Demo)
Illogicist (Polymorphism of Death Demo, Dissonant Perspectives Demo, Subjected)
Infernal Poetry (Beholding the Unpure)
Into the Moat (Means by which the End Is Justified EP)
Ion Dissonance (Breathing Is Irrelevant)
Kenos (Intersection)
Korum (Son of the Breed, No Dominion)
Lemorth (Hold the Balance of Power Demo)
Lethargy (Anthology - all releases)
Liers in Wait (Spiritually Uncontrolled Art)
Martyr (Warp Zone, Hopeless Hopes)
Mutant (The Aeonic Majesty)
Necrophagist (Onset of Putrefaction, Epitaph)
Neglected Fields (Synthinity, Mephisto Lettonica)
Ninth Level (s/t)
Nocturnus (The Key)
Pavor (Furioso)
Pitbulls in the Nursery (Lunatic)
Polluted Inheritance (Betrayed, Into Darkness)
Prejudice (Dominion of Chaos, Reality)
Psychotogen (The Calculus of Evil)
Psycroptic (The Scepter of the Ancients, Symbols of Failure)
Psypheria (Embrace the Mutation, Gothic Disturbance)
Quo Vadis (Day into Night, Defiant Imagination)
Sceptic (Pathetic Being, Blind Existence)
Scholomance (The Immortality Murder, A Treatise on Love)
Scrambled Defuncts (Hackled in Gore)
Serdce (Cyberly)
The Shattering (The Shattering Begins)
Sinners Bleed (From Womb to Tomb)
Spawn of Possession (Cabinet)
Strangulation (Between Nothing and Eternity)
Surgical Dissection (Disgust)
Symbyosis (Crisis, On the Wings of Phoenix)
Terminal Function (Time Bending Patterns Version 1.0 Demo, Time Bending Patterns Demo, The Brainshaped Mind Demo)
Theory in Practice (The Armageddon Theories, Third Eye Function, Colonizing the Sun)
Thrawn (Light Creates Shadows Demo)
Thy Nature (s/t EP)
Trepalium (Alchemik Clockwork of Disorder)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
Vivid X - V. Xtremal Progress
Vortex (Colours out from the Emptiness)
Warchitect (A Sea of Red, Mind)
Winter Bestowed (Within My Labyrinthine Heart EP)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX THRASH

Altered Aeon (Dispiritism)
Aydra (Icon of Sin, Hyperlogical Non-sense)
Believer (Sanity Obscure, Dimensions)
Coroner (No More Color, Punishment for Decadence, R.I.P.)
Deathrow (Deception Ignored)
Droys (And If...)
Dyoxen (First among Equals)
Extol (Synergy)
Hypnotheticall (In Need of a God?, Thorns)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)
Sieges Even (Life Cycle)
Skeptic Sense (Presence of Mind)
Thrawn (Light Creates Shadows Demo)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
WatchTower (Control and Resistance, Energetic Disassembly)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX METALCORE

Between the Buried and Me (Alaska)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)

TECHNICAL METAL

Spiral Architect (A Sceptic's Universe)

COMPLEX PROG METAL

Aghora (s/t)
Catharsis (Pathways to Wholeness)
Complex 7 (Water, Process)
Dream Theater (When Dream and Day Unite)
Frantic Bleep (Fluctuadmission Demo)
GracePoint (Science of Discontent, Full Circle Demo)
Manitou (Entrance)
Power of Omens (Rooms of Anguish, Eyes of the Oracle)
Psychotic Waltz (A Social Grace)
Pyramid (The Immaculate Lie)
Redemption (The Fullness of Time)
Sieges Even (Sophisticated)
Thought Industry (Songs for Insects, MODs Carve the Pig)
Zero Hour (The Towers of Avarice)

TECHNICAL INSTRUMENTAL METAL

Actual Time (Time Frame, s/t)
Behold... The Arctopus (Arctopocalypse Now... Warmageddon Later)
Canvas Solaris (Spatial/Design, Sublimation)
Continuo Renacer - s/t
Enditol (Demo)
Foe (Arm Yourself With Clairvoyance)
Ron Jarzombek (Phhhhp!, Solitarily Speaking of Theoretical Confinement)
Spastic Ink (Ink Complete, Ink Compatible)

PORNO TECHNICAL METAL

Spooge (Demos)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX DEATH & THRASH FAVORITES

FIRST TIER

Atheist (Unquestionable Presence)
Aydra (Icon of Sin)
Believer (Sanity Obscure)
Coroner (No More Color, Punishment for Decadence)
Cynic (Focus)
Death (Individual Thought Patterns, The Sound of Perseverance)
Deathrow (Deception Ignored)
Decapitated (Nihility)
Esicastic (Atman Demo)
Extol (Synergy)
Gory Blister (Art Bleeds, Cognitive Sinergy EP)
Korum (Son of the Breed)
Martyr (Warp Zone)
Necrophagist (Onset of Putrefaction, Epitaph)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)
Psycroptic (The Scepter of the Ancients, Symbols of Failure)
Psypheria (Embrace the Mutation, Gothic Disturbance)
Quo Vadis (Day into Night)
Sceptic (Pathetic Being, Blind Existence)
Scholomance (The Immortality Murder)
Sieges Even (Life Cycle)
Sinners Bleed (From Womb to Tomb)
Spawn of Possession (Cabinet)
Spooge (Demos)
Theory in Practice (The Armageddon Theories)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
WatchTower (Control and Resistance)

SECOND TIER

Acid Death (Random's Manifest)
Alarum (Promo 2002)
Aletheian (Dying Vine)
Algophobia (s/t)
Altered Aeon (Dispiritism)
Atheist (Elements)
Carcariass (Killing Process)
Coprofago (Genesis)
Death (Human)
Decapitated (Winds of Creation)
Dissonance (Look to Forget)
Dyoxen (First among Equals)
Embrionic Death (Stream of Solidarity... Demo)
Forlorn Legacy (Paths of Insanity)
Hypnotheticall (In Need of a God?, Thorns)
Infernal Poetry (Beholding the Unpure)
Korum (No Dominion)
Lemorth (Hold the Balance of Power Demo)
Neglected Fields (Synthinity, Mephisto Lettonica)
Polluted Inheritance (Betrayed)
Terminal Function (Time Bending Patterns Version 1.0 Demo)
Theory in Practice (Third Eye Function)
Thy Nature (s/t EP)
Vortex (Colours out from the Emptiness)
Winter Bestowed (Within My Labyrinthine Heart EP)

You obviously haven't done your homework :Smug:

I can't believe you left off Kopecky from that list, their right from your own backyard