The 5 magnificent delusions regarding musical elitism

[Jon Snow]

^better afaict

 

[daz436]

the idea that some girl singing a song titled "i weat my underpants" completely horribly and off key is no worse or better than a beethoven symphony is just mindblowing to me.

lmao

 

[all_sins_undone]

one absolute truth I can definitively pull out of this argument is that people who whine about how music is subjective are a) shit taste noobs or b) boring wimps

it's true that sadguru and tubbs for example will bring the same "subjective" argument into every thread where there is an inconsistency among which of their favorite bands are "good" or "bad"....

 

[all_sins_undone]

the idea that some girl singing a song titled "i weat my underpants" completely horribly and off key is no worse or better than a beethoven symphony is just mindblowing to me.

maybee some ppl like 0ff key notes in a horrible rythym with dumbass lyircs!?!?!!?!?! its all our OPIONIONSS

*sigh*

 

[Powers]

So what were saying is that whether or not the music is good is a question of yes or no but wheather or not that matters to the individual is subjective?

 

[all_sins_undone]

pay attention plz

 

[Powers]

I am, but I really am pretty sure I disagree with what you're saying.

 

[Braighs]

maybee some ppl like 0ff key notes in a horrible rythym with dumbass lyircs!?!?!!?!?! its all our OPIONIONSS

*sigh*

If her mother thought is was the most precious thing in the world, she might just believe that.

But the thing is, we are all somewhat united under this "Opeth" banner, and so such odd prefrences can be avoided. iykwim
idkwimtbqh

 

[Powers]

Elaborate please Braighs?

You suggest that since we like Opeth we all must at least have some idea about music?

 

[Braighs]

We have a sampling of music that acts as a pivot point through other related genres and makes comparing music easier than say: on a forum for mountain biking.

In other words: we should.

 

[dishcloth]

the idea that some girl singing a song titled "i weat my underpants" completely horribly and off key is no worse or better than a beethoven symphony is just mindblowing to me.

The musical make up of the symphony by beethoven is of course better than Mis Skank - Weat mY uNdErPaNty. What do you think would appeal more to an immature 14 year old boy though? Some people have no sense of or couldn't appreciate good music. That's why utter shit appeals to them. You can't argue against that. Why is there such a thing as MTV? People are too stupid and simple and simply don't get good music. Eg Prog. Commercially fed children will take MiS sKaNK over a good flloyd song any day, they can't help it because they're blind.

 

[Powers]

Interesting, a common ground?

 

[i aint play this]

instead of agreeing or disagreeing, why don't you actually say whats on your mind, because i have a feeling you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Haha, i agree with whatever the fuck i think that makes sense. I don't really feel like explaining myself to you, but here i go:your examples were pretty bad; ''strips of velcro being torn apart''...Tom Waits sings like a barking frog and the music is still damn incredible, is the sound of a ''barking frog'' pleasant? no...but when done in such a creative and emotional way like Waits does, it sounds great...the same goes for the dissonant guitars in the middle of some Sonic Youth songs...those noises, without being in the context of a song, would sound like shit, it would be unbearable...get it? i think it is not a question of ''unbearable sounds'' that makes the music shit, it is a question of lack of songwriting-skills\musical talent. Period.

 

[Powers]

A lot of more experimental music, is for people who are more fans of sound than music, I know that's an odd concept. But really sound and music are no necceserily the same thing.

Or are they? Hmm I'm not sure, can any sound be music?

I have just confused myself.

 

[i aint play this]

Scott Walker used donkey screams in one his songs and what can i say? it ruled

 

[Hubster]

\m/ MUSIC SNOB AND FUCKING PROUD \m/

 

[i aint play this]

wtf

 

[Sadguru]

Scott Walker used donkey screams in one his songs and what can i say? it ruled

Donald Duck's voice too.

 

[makethestringscry]

I hate that "\m/" shit.

 

[dishcloth]

I can't really think of any sound that couldn't be successfully encorporated into a a musical composition...