The God Poll

[Reign in Acai]

Did you ever pick up any Ghost? I think I recommended them to you a long time ago in a psych rock thread.

Nay. I really enjoyed the tracks that I had heard, but have not gotten around to purchasing any of the band's material.

 

[Demilich]

This one is pretty cool and the only one I've heard. I bet the older ones are even better!


why the fuck is it a link to the picture instead of the actual picture?

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

My point is that evolutionary theory has nothing to say about the existence of god(s) unless you insist on some idiotic literal interpretation of religious scripture. Atheism and theism are the domain of philosophy.

Robin Williams: And on the second day got said let their be light, did you ever think this could be a metaphor for the big bang?

Redneck Voice: no, God just weent cliiick.

 

[swizzlenuts]

This is crap. What scale of validity are you basing this statement on? Saying shit like this only feeds fuel to the grand fire of ignorance.

We have many years of research in the field, we know how it works, tons of different sciences all pointing to it, and not to mention we have seen it happen in a laboratory. The reason why it seems so far fetched is because it's hard for humans to actually comprehend millions and millions of years. We just can't really grasp the concepts.

Gravity, on the other hand, is does have the same amount of lines of evidence nor does it have different sciences all pointing to the same thing.

Also, We've had the theory of evolution longer than the theory of gravitivity, so it's had a lot more time to get this information.

Mate, I come from a religious background so it is very fucking hard to change my ways. Currently I do have a secular outlook on life, but I haven't completely given up my roots. I truly believe that there is a grander purpose to this insufferable life which primarily consists of eating, shitting, and murdering your fellow man. There's something fucking more to it aye? I've also been at the center of moments that can not be scientifically explained and are too fucking coincidental to be deemed anything but spiritual. My religious view began in my childhood growing up which was far from peachy. My mother was a God damn pcp addict, my Uncle was addicted to Heroine, my father was behind bars for multiple thefts, and my grand parents who raised me barely had enough money to feed me pinto beans to get through the fucking day. I turned to this "imaginary" God for support during these rough times. And truth be told, whether it be a state of spirituality or euphoria is iirevelant, this belief system helped me carry on. Needless to say, I feel a sense of loyalty to it. God I'm getting drunk so please excuse my rambling. Moral of the story is this. If I believe in God and you don't who gives a shit? I sure don't! I'm not a fundamentalist Christian twat whose life goal is to save souls. I'm living this life for my own personal enjoyment and enlightenment. Whether I see an incandescent tunnel moments after my demise is moot.

Speaking of which, I have a co-worker who I'd consider a great fucking human being who witnessed just that upon crashing his automobile in to a wall at the age of 25. From that day forward his life changed forever. Shrug it off as an unconscious dream state, but fuck I don't think everyone who has experienced such a phenomena is mad.

There's something more to this life than happenstance. If I didn't believe this I'd bust a Michael Douglas and go ape shit on the world don't ye know?!?!

This beer is divine. <```` Try debunking that!

If every single person was like you, I'd have no problem with a person believing in a god, but the problem comes when religious people start making laws because their holy book tells them, they don't look at the future because Jesus is coming, and God will come and help if something goes wrong.

Also, I just find it fun and interesting talking to some one about these topics. Just like how I like to argue how band x is so much better than band y.

 

[swizzlenuts]

The explanations of life proposed by modern biology are far more elegant and beautiful than "eating, shitting, and murdering your fellow man", and they'll continue to become more so as long as we continue learning about the world around us.

My point is that evolutionary theory has nothing to say about the existence of god(s) unless you insist on some idiotic literal interpretation of religious scripture. Atheism and theism are the domain of philosophy.

I agree with you in both paragraphs, except that evolution does play an important role for the discussion. Evolution only answers the question of how live became so diversified, but to think in an evolutionary way, helps us figure out how the origins of life could happen. Once we have a replicator, the theory of evolution takes off.

One of the biggest questions that religion deals with is, how did we get here? I think evolution has to be there to show that it is possible for humans to exist without the intervention of a god.

 

[General Zod]

Trying to tether biology or any other science to atheism or theism is horseshit in the first place.

While atheism doesn't have a structured, organized belief system, I've yet to meet an atheist who doesn't believe in evolution. It's easy to see why people, especially the religious, link the two.

Zod

 

[swizzlenuts]

While atheism doesn't have a structured, organized belief system, I've yet to meet an atheist who doesn't believe in evolution. It's easy to see why people, especially the religious, link the two.

Zod

Well put, kind of what I wanted say.

 

[Krilons Resa]

I'm astounded by people who want to 'know' the universe when it's hard enough to find your way around Chinatown.
-- Woody Allen

 

[JayKeeley]

One of the biggest questions that religion deals with is, how did we get here?

That is the ONLY thing left keeping religion alive. Since science has disproved every single other 'fact' within religion, it's only a matter of time before we realize how life began. It might take a few centuries but the answer will arrive eventually and it will have nothing to do with the notion of a god, just as every other scientific fact has nothing to do with god.

Just because people don't know yet whether there is life after death, or how life began, doesn't mean a fairy tale answer is needed to fill a temporary void of knowledge.

The only faith you ever need is knowing that science and reason will prevail. In the meantime, get on with your life without any worry whatsoever. Someone else (in a laboratory) is working on getting you the answers.

 

[Krilons Resa]

The problem with science is that it is empirical.

Science Shmience.

Boy, am I adding much to this thread.

 

[swizzlenuts]

The problem with science is that it is empirical.

Science Shmience.

Boy, am I adding much to this thread.

I almost responded to JayKeeley with a similar response, but not being serious.

No offense doomy, but with a statement like this it shows you do not have a good sense of the scientific method. Science is absolutely beautiful, and has created immense things. According to Moore's law our technology is going to get exponentially better, which can help science more.

 

[Krilons Resa]

No offense taken.

I can definitely appreciate what science has done but it certainly doesnt prove a godamn (PUN!) thing.

Science, is the creation by humans of a particular paradigm and methodology for discovering truth and understanding reality. Hence it can never fully reflect the hidden face of humanity, its creator, in the same sense that a computer can never become fully human or know what it means to be human: however sophisticated, these machines will forever remain mere artifacts of humanity.

 

[swizzlenuts]

Although Science can never prove something for an 100% fact, it can get pretty god damn close.

Take quantum mechanics for example, we can predict what is going to happen that if you were to measure and predict the distance of the US, you'd be only the width of a hair away from the distance.

 

[JayKeeley]

Science being empirical is not a problem whatsoever.

Anything based on real experience and observation, and equally verified by experience and observation, is what has brought us forward.

Science defines a theory and then proves it.

The only reason why people leave room for God is because they're searching for an answer that it completely irrelevant to the concept of just existing. You don't EVER need to do anything more than just exist and make the most of things.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Although Science can never prove something for an 100% fact, it can get pretty god damn close.

Take quantum mechanics for example, we can predict what is going to happen that if you were to measure and predict the distance of the US, you'd be only the width of a hair away from the distance.

I dont think you quite understand where Im coming from and I am very lousy at explaining my thoughts, so we shall just agree to disagree. lol

 

[swizzlenuts]

I dont think you quite understand where Im coming from and I am very lousy at explaining my thoughts, so we shall just agree to disagree. lol

I don't like agreeing to disagree in this case, maybe try to clarify?

Also, you're quote is not every good in your old post. It has a false premise already assuming there has to be a creator, which does not have to be the case.

 

[Krilons Resa]

I'll also agree to disagree with you Mr. Jake E. Lee.

Btw, progress is a farce.

Woops!

 

[Krilons Resa]

I don't like agreeing to disagree in this case, maybe try to clarify?

Also, you're quote is not every good in your old post. It has a false premise already assuming there has to be a creator, which does not have to be the case.

In what case?

to the 2nd, i know. but its along equivalent premises. nevermind the creator thing.

 

[Demilich]

This thread is even gayer than the one where I said sorry to Ken and Jerry for being a jerk.

 

[swizzlenuts]

I dont think you quite understand where Im coming from and I am very lousy at explaining my thoughts, so we shall just agree to disagree. lol

In what case?

to the 2nd, i know. but its along equivalent premises. nevermind the creator thing.

I meant hidden premise, which I think is false.

Also it is completely possible for us to create something more powerful than us in all ways, especially if it become intelligent.

Imagine if we created something like a Shaggoth?!