The great and all powerful religion thread!

[Rabid Headbanger]

The universe operates on it's own, and in case you haven't noticed, "Divine Correction" hasn't been relevant since newton's theories got revised.

 

[Cythraul]

How can something have no cause?

It's logically conceivable but highly unlikely.

How does God have no cause? If everything must have a cause then there is an infinite regress which hurts my brain. I tend to think by Occam's razor that causation begins at the big bang rather than one step back with some sort of god (the deistic position).

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[Zephyrus]

If one says that this is how the real world is, then I would ask why a God who punishes non-believers with eternal torment would disguise his actions in such a way as to trick those who think rationally.

The counter-argument to this would claim that God sent and/or spoke to prophets like Moses, Jesus and Muhammad who codified the will of the divine, and thus established right from wrong, warning that wrong leads to Hell and right leads to eternal bliss in Heaven.

 

[cookiecutter]

But these people did really shitty jobs considering they can't even provide non-contradictory ideas withing their own teachings much less between each other. Clearly this hypothetical god has the power to set out guidelines without infringing upon free will as people could still disobey them after all. Instead he opts to have a few people tell contradictory stories then stays silent for thousands of years.

 

[Alter]

But these people did really shitty jobs considering they can't even provide non-contradictory ideas withing their own teachings much less between each other. Clearly this hypothetical god has the power to set out guidelines without infringing upon free will as people could still disobey them after all. Instead he opts to have a few people tell contradictory stories then stays silent for thousands of years.

Dont forget that the bible was edited by the Romans to stop war and chaos within the empire.

 

[cookiecutter]

As far as I know, they just decided not to include the gospels that did not view Christ as divine, but I'm not positive on that one.

 

[skeptik]

There are like 235235235908908 different versions of the Bible iirc.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

 

[Alter]

As far as I know, they just decided not to include the gospels that did not view Christ as divine, but I'm not positive on that one.

Yeah, and also warped the fuck out of some main figures of the bible.

 

[Zephyrus]

As far as I know, they just decided not to include the gospels that did not view Christ as divine, but I'm not positive on that one.

This is correct.

 

[Alter]

This is correct.

I dont think it is. What about Mary Magdalene being cast as a prostitute? Rome twisted the text to imply that she was and let artists use that image indulge in its context.

 

[Zephyrus]

I never implied that they weren't edited themselves. And your point about Mary Magdalene is more an issue of interpretation, really.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

This is correct.

well i think it's a bit more complex than that... they also got rid of gospels that made jesus out to be less than human also, etc.

 

[Zephyrus]

And which gospels are these?

 

[skeptik]

The Gospel of Deicide

 

[Thoth-Amon]

And which gospels are these?

some gnostics claimed that jesus was god who only pretended to be human... this was just as anathema as those who only viewed him as humans to the people who eventually canonized the NT

 

[Zephyrus]

Gnostics as in people or gnostics as in writings?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

It shouldn't matter, should it? Gnostics write gnostic-based things.

 

[cookiecutter]

All of this lends credence to my original point

 

[Zephyrus]

I was referring to the Gnostic gospels, which were not written by followers of gnosticism but by writers contemporary with Luke, John and Mark. They are called the Gnostic gospels because they are revered and studied by the followers of gnosticism.