The Great Cold What?
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discouraged1
disco my arse!
terrorizer always seemed to like katatonia, but... "adding Middle Eastern female vocals" really shows a lack of reviewer's taste.
IFK_Gothenburg
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Not critisizing anyone but... first, doesn't Opeth have a femal singer. I mena, at least in MY ears, I can never see music with a male singer equalent to music with a female singer.
Again, not critisizing anyone, and perhaps its because I'm swedish, feels kind of strange when a band member is defending his own album.
Most reviewers listen only to the promo copy of the tape when they review it. And as we all know, the promo usually doesn't repressent the final work.
I know that somebody *cough* bandmember *cough* critisezed the Paradise Lost album last year after downloeading the promotape. Know this pissed many people off a lot, and later he changed his mind, if this was because he heard the final version or because he got tierd of the mails containing phrases such as "hope you die" or "You suck" I don't know.
Well, anyway, the point of the story is first of all, you shouldn't get upsett by the review of a man who hasn't heard the final work. You shouldn't care about what some twat somewhere writing for some crappy magazine thinks.
Again, not critisizing anyone, and perhaps its because I'm swedish, feels kind of strange when a band member is defending his own album.
Most reviewers listen only to the promo copy of the tape when they review it. And as we all know, the promo usually doesn't repressent the final work.
I know that somebody *cough* bandmember *cough* critisezed the Paradise Lost album last year after downloeading the promotape. Know this pissed many people off a lot, and later he changed his mind, if this was because he heard the final version or because he got tierd of the mails containing phrases such as "hope you die" or "You suck" I don't know.
Well, anyway, the point of the story is first of all, you shouldn't get upsett by the review of a man who hasn't heard the final work. You shouldn't care about what some twat somewhere writing for some crappy magazine thinks.
Discouraged+One
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Novembers Paul said:
OPETH CANT EVEN REINVENT THEMSELVES, KATATONIA DID, SO COMPARISONS ARE SO STUPID.
about the reviews, well i think they matter because they influence people who dont know katatonia so i pisses me off, those ignorant bastards (sorry for the cap leters).
Blakkheim
In the Still of the Night
IFK_Gothenburg said:
i wasnt defending my own album. i highlighted a few points you expect a review to fullfill - most importantly having the correct title of the album, or is that asking too much from one of the most famous magazines in metal? (yes i hear u scream "no its not a metal mag, its a nu metal or emo mag", but hush..hush...)
for yer information, this promo copy is in no way different from the final version except for the voiceovers. it's naive to assume some inferior production or roughmix glorifies the promo and then heaven represent itself on the album. 1) find a label reprsentative. 2) listen when he speaks to you.IFK_Gothenburg said:
IFK_Gothenburg said:
oh so we're bringin up little juice from yesterdays, arent we? the copy i had of the paradise lost album and the final copy is the same and my opinion remains. i didnt change my opinion at all, clear? and no, i'm sorry but i never got any pathetic emails. all i got, was to see a bunch of kids that kicked and screamed on the floor in their pyjamases.
IFK_Gothenburg said:
yer entitled to say whatever u want man, but please dont tell me what i should or should not get upset about. some things actually go beyond this. and chill on that whole "promo vs final work" theory for yer own good.
Discouraged+One
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gone
zabijasz mnie
I actually agree with that Terrorizer review 100%.
...well except that "Eastern female vocals" part.
...well except that "Eastern female vocals" part.
IFK_Gothenburg
Ängel
Of course you should expect reviewer to use the rigth name. I mean this IS BASIC.
But still, this is not the first post where some katatonia fans have complained about reviews of TGCD, an album they have never heards, yet.
In my Eyes they are no better then teh Paradise Lost fans who where crying in their pyjamases.
And true, mabey/probably I said somethings that wherent completely thougth trough as they should have been.
But still I think that if he can't tell the difference between Katatonia and Opeth, and even though he should retire, I don't think members the band should be telling this.
Of course this website is kind of like "home" where you can say close to anything you want because you know that the people here don't mind.
Still... I would most likely have done exactly the samething if I where a member of Katatonia...so I shouldn't say anything...
Nä nu vet jag inte ens vad jag pratar om längre... Kattfan har hoppat upp på mitt tangentbord alldelses för många gånger för att tråden skulle kunna hållas.
No hard feelings... bara egna åsikter...
But still, this is not the first post where some katatonia fans have complained about reviews of TGCD, an album they have never heards, yet.
In my Eyes they are no better then teh Paradise Lost fans who where crying in their pyjamases.
And true, mabey/probably I said somethings that wherent completely thougth trough as they should have been.
But still I think that if he can't tell the difference between Katatonia and Opeth, and even though he should retire, I don't think members the band should be telling this.
Of course this website is kind of like "home" where you can say close to anything you want because you know that the people here don't mind.
Still... I would most likely have done exactly the samething if I where a member of Katatonia...so I shouldn't say anything...
Nä nu vet jag inte ens vad jag pratar om längre... Kattfan har hoppat upp på mitt tangentbord alldelses för många gånger för att tråden skulle kunna hållas.
No hard feelings... bara egna åsikter...
MountainDweller
Under The Dark Moon
discouraged1 said:
I think that part was meant to be tongue-in-cheek or at least an exagerration.
MountainDweller
Under The Dark Moon
IFK_Gothenburg said:
I take reviews with a grain of salt. Like I said, it's one person's opinion. What matters is if YOU actually like it, and nothing else.
I don't recall ever seeing any of the band make comments about any review, good or bad, someone has posted here. Blakkheim isn't defending the album, he just feels, as most of us do, that if someone is going to slam an album and talk shit about it, that they should at least get the facts straight. Nothing more.
People who get paid to give thier opinion are the last people you want to listen to when it comes to your decision wether to buy, or not buy an album. The best thing to do is get it for yourself, and be the judge. I can't tell you how many times I have heard people say, "You won't like that album", and disregarding them I bought it anyway, and loved it.
Discouraged+One
Member
IFK_Gothenburg said:
im not a follower man, and dont agree with everything is said here so save youre words about that, i like katatonia so much but that doesnt mean i have to kiss their ass, so youre talking trash without knowing.
who on earth would take a reviewer seriously when he can't even remember the title of the album he is reviewing? maybe it is a typo, but it seems more like a carelessness on the part of the reviewer. even if he had the title right, the fact that he compares opeth and katatonia in the way that he does just shows that he does not understand either of these bands. noone who knows katatonia can give any credence to what this reviewer is saying. so this review cannot have any effect on such people. but it is worrying that people who don't yet know katatonia might, upon reading this crappy review in metal hammer, decide to ignore the record altogether. i don't know how many people actually buy metal records based primarily on reviews (rather than hearing it from someone else or hearing it somewhere or knowing the band from earlier albums), but still this is unfair to katatonia. is there any way to tell the reviewer that he is careless and thoroughly confused (with respect to not just katatonia but also opeth)? i doubt that will help the situation too much, but one can at least do something in protest. and the protest here does not stem from being a "fanboy" or anything, but from perceiving obvious mistakes in the review. any review is biased, and a bias cannot be protested in matters of taste too much, but i believe the reviewer is not simply (and understandably) biased but unduly careless in his writing.
IFK_Gothenburg said:
I don't understand the point about Paradise Lost fans. Why on earth are they crying in their pijamas and how is this relevant to the issue? If members of this post are being criticized here, it's perhaps best to actually spell out what the criticism is. And it is not good enough to say that the criticism is that people posting on this thread can't stand reviews that don't praise katatonia. There are obvious reasons why the review in question is unacceptable and everyone who knows katatonia and opeth are in a position to see that there are mistakes. For the same reasons members of the band have every right to find fault with the review. Furthermore, it is simply uncouth to blame a member of the band for having written a comment on this matter.
Aprilhäxan
pagan queen
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derbeder said:
is not that we dont like the review because doesnt praised katatonia, its because the guys obviously doesnt know what he talking about,
compare this review (i know i know we had enough of reviews) it doesnt praised the album as a masterpiece, but it says its good, and explain what he thinks about it http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/review.php?id=5238&band_id=katatonia&latest_reviews=yes
Well I recieved my copy of the new album today and I think it's fucking fantastic. It's very heavy and downtuned.
After three listens, my current faves are 'My Twin', 'Soil's Song' and 'July'.
After three listens, my current faves are 'My Twin', 'Soil's Song' and 'July'.
Asra
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I've read multiple reviews of The Great Cold Distance and the majority have been quite positive...but it wouldn't matter if all the reviews I read were negative, I would still pick up the album myself and make up my own mind. I've been a Katatonia fan long enough to know that unless they suddenly decide to put out a hip-hop album I will continue to enjoy most everything they record. Opinions are like...well you know.
