The low quality level of more or less popular metal music today

[Hell Mike]

I think what you were trying to convey in the thread
is that in the 80's metal was metal with metallica, slayer, maiden etc and these days what is perceived as metal isn't. ie linkin park and such shite

the thing is in the 80's, certainly early-mid, the likes of europe, bon jovi and poison were just as much percieved by the average person as metal. so we had the same shit back then.

this applies to more than metal by the way

with the advances in media what has become more exiting in the late 90's + 00's is the general ease of availability of good music if you look for it and the connectivity of a wider more worldwide underground....like I can connect with you now from the other side of the world and say go and check out 'so + so'

(for the record I was big on tape trading)

just this week I've learned about and heard 2 great bands I wouldn't have ever heard about

of course this ease has its downside with any twat with a modem and a guitar being able to swamp the scene with shit

and there are 1000's more sterile imitations of the latest fad to wade through

there are plus and minus but in reality youve got it better now

Well spoken dear friend, I wasn't around in the 80s so I really have no idea, and I was going to say that Maiden, Megadeth and Metallica was what stuck anyway but then I realized I'm 8798245 times more likely to hear 'The Final Countdown' somewhere more or less public than even 'One'

I don't know what I was aiming for with this thread really but I've changed my mind at least 3-4 times since I started it I think because I just typed without involving my brain, just like I am now. Anyways, to sum it up: It wasn't much better back then, just different. And it wasn't worse. Agree?

 

[JayKeeley]

Oh yeah, lots of great underground metal like Bathory, Celtic Frost, etc. but then you had Motley Crue and Def Leppard and...

Fucken hell, it's your ying and yang bullshit again.

In NAD's head, the 80's were either Bathory and Death or Poison and Europe. Can't possibly be anything else.

What about NWOBHM? Bay Area Thrash? Sepultura? You're old enough to know better, Mr Selective Amnesia.

By the way, WASP =

 

[NAD]

Fucken hell, it's your ying and yang bullshit again.

In NAD's head, the 80's were either Bathory and Death or Poison and Europe. Can't possibly be anything else.

What about NWOBHM? Bay Area Thrash? Sepultura? You're old enough to know better, Mr Selective Amnesia.

By the way, WASP =

hahaha

Actually my real distaste with the 80's doesn't have anything to do with metal, it's all the nu-wave crap that I've been inundated with this past year, my ex-band assholes LOVED that shit. Do I like Violator? Yes. Do I want to listen to it EVERY FUCKING DAY?! NO!!!!!!

 

[Hell Mike]

By the way, WASP =

WELCOME TO THE MORGUE, BOY
WHERE MUSIC COMES TO DIE!

Seriously, everyone should look into the Crimson Idol because it's a kickass, well-told story and while it's a bit heavy on the ballads it's all in line with the concept and feels very sincere. All parts need to be there, including the 16-minute narrative intro that wasn't there on the original.

 

[unhinged]

Well spoken dear friend, I wasn't around in the 80s so I really have no idea, and I was going to say that Maiden, Megadeth and Metallica was what stuck anyway but then I realized I'm 8798245 times more likely to hear 'The Final Countdown' somewhere more or less public than even 'One'

I don't know what I was aiming for with this thread really but I've changed my mind at least 3-4 times since I started it I think because I just typed without involving my brain, just like I am now. Anyways, to sum it up: It wasn't much better back then, just different. And it wasn't worse. Agree?

well I'm glad I was there, to be part of the whole first wave of thrash thing
the first time I heard bonded by blood I nearly shat!
it was like YES!!! THIS IS WHAT i'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR
having to order to mega therion from a shop and it arriving 2 months later on my 17th birthday , great days
I think that was probably more exiting, but then it might just be being young.

its probably harder to get exited about anything these days
because you might find something better on the click of a mouse
so its also harder to let things sink in and appreciate them properly
maybe thats why stinkin park and thier ilk do get so popular
its that instant hit because its so fucking shallow it can be absorbed in one go

music like that makes me angry
its not challenging or rewarding on any level

 

[Hell Mike]

Agreed about the shallow crap, but the attention of the mainstream can be kept just that long, and the artistic and emotional depth of the average person would drown few men.

What I do miss from even my younger days is to really really listen to something until I know it inside out, a problem most of us here seem to have, but then again I love always having something fresh (to me) too look into if I want, and I really feel like I have all the time in the world to go through the stuff I can't listen to properly the first week after I've bought it.

 

[unhinged]

yeah I'd go along with that

 

[JayKeeley]

Where were you when it happened
Where could you be found
Were you at the front of the stage
Or in the underground

From S.F. out to Old Brit
New York to L.A.
The world of metal changed forever
Back in the day

Well that was back in the day
And if you weren't there
It doesn't matter anyway
Because you wouldn't understand

Live to die
Die to play
Every day and place
Leave a path of metal
Across a world from stage to stage

Well that was back in the day
And if you weren't there
It doesn't matter anyway
Because you wouldn't understand

In denim and Leather
We were a one for all-all for one force
Knocked Rock n Roll on it's ass
And put metal on the course

Back in the Day
If you wern't there
It doesn't matter
Cause you wouldn't understand...

This is our way of life
A life that was born free
To follow orders how to live
Was never meant to be

Hints of thunder, seeds of lightning
The power hits the stage
The music was exciting
The mania raged

We all had the fever
Our ears started to ring
Feeding this wildfire
Consuming everything

Metal's king back then
And still is to this day
others imitate or challenge
But it never goes away

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

WELCOME TO THE MORGUE, BOY
WHERE MUSIC COMES TO DIE!

Seriously, everyone should look into the Crimson Idol because it's a kickass, well-told story and while it's a bit heavy on the ballads it's all in line with the concept and feels very sincere. All parts need to be there, including the 16-minute narrative intro that wasn't there on the original.

Crimson Idol & Headless Children are two albums that anyone who professes to like Heavy Fucking Metal should bow down and worship.

I think metal's place in the mainstream is always going to be kind of tame and safe. There'll be one or two innovators who break through, and then an army of clones, doing neither anything new or anything too traditional. Look at the so-called New Wave of American Heavy Metal of the past few years–Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, all that shit. They sure as hell weren't innovating after the first couple albums, but they didn't go back to the old school, either, because that's just not marketable. It's all about trying to sound fresh and cutting edge without acutally being either.

God, that's depressing. I need to listen to some Overkill.

 

[NAD]

Where were you when it happened
Where could you be found
Were you at the front of the stage
Or in the underground

From S.F. out to Old Brit
New York to L.A.
The world of metal changed forever
Back in the day

Well that was back in the day
And if you weren't there
It doesn't matter anyway
Because you wouldn't understand

Live to die
Die to play
Every day and place
Leave a path of metal
Across a world from stage to stage

Well that was back in the day
And if you weren't there
It doesn't matter anyway
Because you wouldn't understand

In denim and Leather
We were a one for all-all for one force
Knocked Rock n Roll on it's ass
And put metal on the course

Back in the Day
If you wern't there
It doesn't matter
Cause you wouldn't understand...

This is our way of life
A life that was born free
To follow orders how to live
Was never meant to be

Hints of thunder, seeds of lightning
The power hits the stage
The music was exciting
The mania raged

We all had the fever
Our ears started to ring
Feeding this wildfire
Consuming everything

Metal's king back then
And still is to this day
others imitate or challenge
But it never goes away

See, I no longer wear my denim jacket or go gonzo over an Anthrax album cover, but this song definitely brings out the in me.

 

[JayKeeley]

Damn straight.

By the way, WASP's cover of "The Real Me" could be the best cover ever. I think of it more as a WASP song now than I do THE WHO. Kinda like "All along the watchtower" -- nobody hears that and thinks yeah Bob Dylan was on to something.

 

[Demilich]

anyone wanna trade for a WASP Fuck Like A Beast/some other song sparkly gold 12'' LP single!? i hear it's rare or something

 

[Reign in Acai]

Run on sentence = metal and very serious.

Yeah I don't really like much mallcöre, but it's better than that awful nu-metal trend (which I actually quite enjoyed at the beginning).

Uhh isnt nu-metal mallcore? I mean mallcore isnt it's own genre. Just another word for calling mainstream music "crapola".

 

[Demonspell]

I'm a firm believer in garbage in/garbage out and that the mainstream has always been synonymous with poor taste. As for the whole 80s vs 90s thing, I agree with those saying the scope of metal has expanded as its appeal has become more selective, and so has the quality...but I'm not going to dismiss the 80s out of hand, especially since as Dave's tribute says, you had to be there...and I wasn't.

 

[lurch70]

well I'm glad I was there, to be part of the whole first wave of thrash thing
the first time I heard bonded by blood I nearly shat!
it was like YES!!! THIS IS WHAT i'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR
having to order to mega therion from a shop and it arriving 2 months later on my 17th birthday , great days
I think that was probably more exiting, but then it might just be being young.

I agree with this whole heartedly, and could possibly be the reason of all the crap that's out there.

maybe thats why stinkin park and thier ilk do get so popular
its that instant hit because its so fucking shallow it can be absorbed in one go

however, I believe 80's metal was oh so simple and instant too ... almost all bands had a pretty simplistic approach to songwriting. I don't recall sitting and scratching my head at any LP I had trying to figure out WTF was going on ... as it kind of happens today with some of these over composed cacophonies many here like ... which to me they are "most times" show off pretentious drivel.

I think the closest to anything not "instant" back in the days was Voivod, as I wrote in the other thread.

I don't know ...

 

[Eminor]

That's only because Voivod was so distinctive. Nobody really replicated that. But the other stuff--Celtic Frost, Metallica, etc. took approaches that sounded fresh back then, as we'd not heard things like that before. Now they've been done to death, and pushed in more extreme directions.

 

[lurch70]

That's only because Voivod was so distinctive. Nobody really replicated that. But the other stuff--Celtic Frost, Metallica, etc. took approaches that sounded fresh back then, as we'd not heard things like that before. Now they've been done to death, and pushed in more extreme directions.

I agree ... but my point was more about the "instant" feel of the music ... no old school band really required careful listening to appreciate.

 

[KILL TULLY]

Where were you in '79 when the dam began to break.

 

[Eminor]

It wasn't simplistic and instant is what I'm saying. Although I agree, little if anything required the kind of studious attention that a few things do now.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

I agree ... but my point was more about the "instant" feel of the music ... no old school band really required careful listening to appreciate.

Except Voivod? Many ...