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Dee probably likes being described like that. JJ French on the other hand might have a different opinion.

Yeah those motherfuckers at GM closed down our plants!! Sure we weren't buying Holdens because something like 60% of the market is dual cab utes, therefore the plants weren;t making cars that sold, but those motherfuckers at GM!!
 
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I tried listening to Dee's song again. If he just mentioned his dog it could be a country song...or a Chevy truck commercial :)

I just watched the American made video and I think that if someone I didn't particularly like made a similar song about Australia I'd probably be embarrassed by it but as an outsider I look at what Dee's done as the patriotism that many in America want the rest of the world to think exists. We constant hear on TV about how people (and it's mostly those against Trump) want America to unite and be patriotic to the cause. We hear that celebs are telling people to get out and vote unite their power to get the government America deserves. To me Dee's trying to do that by showing what he thinks makes America great and what it's built on. I don't have a problem with patriotism even in a corny rock song.

Strangely enough one of the songs most often connected to patriotic Australia is a rock song written about 30 years ago that people connect with because the video clip was filmed in the heartland of the northern Queensland cane farms where it's hot and hard work. The song talks about the battler who works his arse off to get nowhere but loves his country. Yet no matter how much of an Aussie classic it is there is probably less than half the people who know and sing it realise it's written by a yank in America (for an Aussie) without even visiting the country. But it's still as patriotic as fuck!!
 
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Dee probably likes being described like that. JJ French on the other hand might have a different opinion.

Yeah those motherfuckers at GM closed down our plants!! Sure we weren't buying Holdens because something like 60% of the market is dual cab utes, therefore the plants weren;t making cars that sold, but those motherfuckers at GM!!
GM are dirty bastards.
 
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I just watched the American made video and I think that if someone I didn't particularly like made a similar song about Australia I'd probably be embarrassed by it but as an outsider I look at what Dee's done as the patriotism that many in America want the rest of the world to think exists. We constant hear on TV about how people (and it's mostly those against Trump) want America to unite and be patriotic to the cause. We hear that celebs are telling people to get out and vote unite their power to get the government America deserves. To me Dee's trying to do that by showing what he thinks makes America great and what it's built on. I don't have a problem with patriotism even in a corny rock song.

Strangely enough one of the songs most often connected to patriotic Australia is a rock song written about 30 years ago that people connect with because the video clip was filmed in the heartland of the northern Queensland cane farms where it's hot and hard work. The song talks about the battler who works his arse off to get nowhere but loves his country. Yet no matter how much of an Aussie classic it is there is probably less than half the people who know and sing it realise it's written by a yank in America (for an Aussie) without even visiting the country. But it's still as patriotic as fuck!!
This country is shattered into groups and every one of them has their own idea of what patriotism is. I just don't like it because it seems like an easy cash grab song. It just is cheesy In my opinion.

What song are you talking about?
 
GM are dirty bastards.

Gotta give them some credit, they had the balls to ask the government for a billion dollar hand out to keep the factories open here. That was after the hand out of half a billion they got 5 years prior under the same deal.
 
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This country is shattered into groups and every one of them has their own idea of what patriotism is. I just don't like it because it seems like an easy cash grab song. It just is cheesy In my opinion.

What song are you talking about?

I think all countries have such factions these days but it's not as sad to talk about others as it is our own. We haven't had a Prime Minster run full term in more than ten years before being sacked by his/her own party. But our media (owned by the same rich Aussie prick that yours is owned by, thanks Mr Murdoch) are a lot happier to continually tell us how bad Trump is. We hear about how bad ours is but it's generally followed by another Trump story. It's fucked all over.

I don't know how much of a cash grab Dee's song is given that he's not really a big selling artist any more but as far as the cheese goes I think it fits right in with his character who I'm sure still lives in the 80's when Twisted Sister were telling us what they weren't gonna take.

Song is Working Class Man by Jimmy Barnes. It's a pub classic and was actually voted top 3 to replace our national anthem in a non official poll of iconic Australian songs. It's thirty odd years old butAussie just cling to it as an Aussie anthem
 
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A billion dollar hand out?! AFTER we fucking bailed out their entire shitty company and then they gave their execs bonuses?! That is some balls.

Yeah it is but what we had in this country was Holden (owned by GM), Ford, Toyota and Mistusbishi building locally. Ford first decided to pull out with 5 or 7 years notice because the US parent said they had to, but they offered to leave a design team here because they understood the Falcon was iconic to this part of the world and the Aussies were designing for local conditions, something that their other engineers couldn't do. So they offered to keep a team and build everything in Thailand or Malaysia or something. Then GM saw what Ford were doing, figured they didn't need the Holden brand name which had been iconic here since the 40's. They were using plants in Japan and the like too so they figured they'd buy the Commodore and rename it because Holden had done a huge deal with several police departments in the US. Then Ford and GM got together and begged the government for a hand out, which most saw for what it was, a bribe to stay in the country. One government handed out some cash, the next government said no and both Ford and GM had no choice but to pull out and ship jobs and building to Asian ports.

Mishitibus and Toyota went more quietly and without the begging but they had to go when they realised GM and Ford weren't staying because too much shit was imported and with only two companies the shared things all companies use like airbags, brakes etc etc all became more expensive.
 
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Lol Murdoch is a piece of work . That's about as political as I'm gonna get on here lol

Hmm, not sure I know the Barnes song. I might if I heard it. I'll look.

Don't worry we all hate Murdoch here too. His media is more often than not a big player in our governments changing. Every leader that has been knifed in the back by his own party here has had the story start in the Murdoch press. His team starts the ball rolling by suggesting there is going to be a new prime minister and within weeks it's happened. Obviously it's not all him, there is problems in the governments but there's not smoke without fire.

I doubt you would know the song. It was written as a pub song for an aussie artist. The label paid a lot of money to the guy to write the words and not offer them to anyone else. The guy was not a top selling artist he was a writer who wrote for anyone who paid him.
 
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Yeah it is but what we had in this country was Holden (owned by GM), Ford, Toyota and Mistusbishi building locally. Ford first decided to pull out with 5 or 7 years notice because the US parent said they had to, but they offered to leave a design team here because they understood the Falcon was iconic to this part of the world and the Aussies were designing for local conditions, something that their other engineers couldn't do. So they offered to keep a team and build everything in Thailand or Malaysia or something. Then GM saw what Ford were doing, figured they didn't need the Holden brand name which had been iconic here since the 40's. They were using plants in Japan and the like too so they figured they'd buy the Commodore and rename it because Holden had done a huge deal with several police departments in the US. Then Ford and GM got together and begged the government for a hand out, which most saw for what it was, a bribe to stay in the country. One government handed out some cash, the next government said no and both Ford and GM had no choice but to pull out and ship jobs and building to Asian ports.

Mishitibus and Toyota went more quietly and without the begging but they had to go when they realised GM and Ford weren't staying because too much shit was imported and with only two companies the shared things all companies use like airbags, brakes etc etc all became more expensive.
Well damn.
 
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So GM are obviously masters are begging for money. Seems I'm in the wrong business, I wonder what I can get the government to pay me for.
 
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I don't actually employ anyone, saying I'm saving local jobs and need a billion dollars to do so might be a stretch.
 
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Oh these days our government has too much money to spend on themselves, I'd have to prove I was one of them to get money.
 
I don't like the word lecture in that context anyway, sound like your going back to school with Marty as the teacher. To me it's still going to see a muso talk about stuff not going to school to be educated.
 
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