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EricT
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Hey guys!
I wish to share with all of you the music our band named Gibraltaria has made some months ago.
We are a power progressive metal band from Peru and we are influenced by Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Rush, Sonata Arctica, Angra, Symphony X, Circus Maximus, Hangar, etc.
We released a Demo called "Fifth Element Unleashed" the last year.
Tracklist:
1.- Arrival
2.- Fallen Nightmares
You can find our Demo HERE
Hope you like it!
I wish to share with all of you the music our band named Gibraltaria has made some months ago.
We are a power progressive metal band from Peru and we are influenced by Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Rush, Sonata Arctica, Angra, Symphony X, Circus Maximus, Hangar, etc.
We released a Demo called "Fifth Element Unleashed" the last year.
Tracklist:
1.- Arrival
2.- Fallen Nightmares
You can find our Demo HERE
Hope you like it!
einride
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Caelum Adustum
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Given the amount of untainted nature in North America I'm actually baffled at how so little quality Black Metal exists from there, and the fact that there is much more of a puritanical religious culture to "rebel" against adds to my surprise. Why is there so little Anti-Islam metal coming from Europe? I'm sick of hearing these trite metalheads overplaying and rewriting Dimmu Borgir lyrics when Islam is burning down their house! Islam is worse, and presently much more of a "threat" than Christianity has been for centuries. To me, black metal in it's anti-Christian foundations makes more sense coming from Americans than from Europeans.
Caelum Adustum
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Of course Americans in general seem to have no spiritual connection to their land, therefore they ignore her voice or simply don't even hear it. And what the hell is with all the German, Dutch and Flemish metalheads who seem to think they're vikings!? And why the fuck does metal care so much about "culture" nowadays anyway? I thought metal was music & art, not propaganda for a state. In my eyes metal should be counter-culture, not good 'ol boys workin' for Uncle Sam!
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einride
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i really do not agree
black metal is not political, it is spiritual. islam has had little or no lasting influence on western morality/mentality/society so there is nothing there to rebel against. leave it to the ns skinhead kids to write stupid punk music about how them islams are taking our jobs and wimmenz. (wait do we hate islams or not? they are strange and brown but then again they hate jews, help how do i deal with this) this is nothing black metal should deal with because they are petty, worldly and fleeting issues.
islam is currently making some shallow waves on the surface of european society that upsets the tabloids and the guy on the street with meaningless shit like burkha debates, but it has yet to really sink its claws into anything. what black metal is really annoyed with is the entire christian system of thought that has evolved and taken root through 2000 years and that goes far deeper than the actual religion, not whatever dumb faith is the current flavour of the month.
Ellestin
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and here I thought black metal was about vegetalian self-sustainment and walks in the woods at twilight.
Caelum Adustum
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Yes indeed, I agree completely that black metal is (er, should be) spiritual and not political and it's for that same reason that I don't understand how black metal ignores it. I'm not talking about some angry NS Flemish band or something trying to rally against them damned foreigners. Islam is for spiritual conquest, and black metal doesn't recognize that what is rearing it's head out now has very strong ressemblace to the past. I recognize that black metal is against an old system of thought (which, once again I think has much more of a hold on America than Europe), but I think Christianity has so much lost its influence now that it's pointless complaining about something that happened almost two millenia ago. But really, conquest whether by land, sea or spirit is human history so black metal shouldn't even be specifically anti-any religion but against societal nature in general.
And I would say that the waves Islam has created on continental Europe are much greater than in Scandinavia, so much so that it is impossible to ignore. Or maybe it's just Belgium.
(Be it known that I believe Islam is a SPIRITUAL scourge, and couldn't care less about nationalist politics. I'm an American of mixed European and American ancestry who lives in Belgium, and I honestly don't give two flying fucks about national entities.)
Also, I don't intend on turning this into a discussion of merely what is or isn't black metal.
Ellestin
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Look. Christianity, Islam, jewdom and their various offshots have been polluting people's minds since time immemorial. It is in my view irrelevant to debate whether black metal these days should call exclusively to the annihilation of one or the other. Black metal is terror on all forms of close-minded monotheism. It's up to bands to chose their target based on their location and culture and personal sensibilities I guess. Let a couple centuries pass and see when the spiritual veto against Islam starts arising in the East the way Christianity dwindles in the West. Then we might see the emergence of an Arab black metal scene (or whatever music has taken up the subversive function of black metal by then) howling the rape of Mohammed and its followers.
PS: on ne voit pas les coeurs
PS: on ne voit pas les coeurs
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Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
einride
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i just don't think it is. it's not about "complaining about what happened two millenia ago"*, it is about opposing the values that have become cornerstones of european society and that live on regardless of the lack of religiosity these days. the catholic and other churches have a lot of VERY REAL influence in certain countries, but that doesn't matter because as you rightly observe that is FADING, so even if they didn't, the legacy is still there and runs SO VERY DEEP. it's almost worse now because there are all these christian institutions left, robbed of their old religious meaning, and therefore people do not realize that they are, in fact, christian -- so we get clueless people perpetuating christian values just because they've gained some arbitrary sense of validity through age and tradition alone. a thing that's arguably worse than a society based on values rooted in belief in a god is a society based on values of an obsolete faith. no one believes in god but everyone thinks jesus not only existed, but was a "good person". current (very obvious) example! WHY DO NON-BELIEVING HOMOSEXUALS FIGHT SO FUCKING FIERCELY FOR THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED IN CHURCH!? what is this!
of course this is politics. it is people being annoyed with a religion they don't understand (i.e. anything that isn't christianity) it has little or nothing to do with spiritual or moral values. real question: what would you expect a european black metal band to say against islam today? is there anything worthwhile to say against islam in europe? i just don't see it.
YES! islam is a spiritual scourge. it is a spiritual scourge to the people of countries like afghanistan or iraq -- this is where someone may be justified in establishing an anti-islam black metal band. here, it is an annoyance at worst. there are no meaningful traces of islam in our collective sense of morality or whatever.
* sometimes it is, but i think "one rode to asa bay" has that market all but cornered.
Ellestin
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True, and it testifies to the braindead state of Occidental societies when it comes to spiritual questioning. Christianity is a shell of its former self in terms of political and social influence, yet its institutions are still sought after when people who don't pray and don't have any religious education whatsoever need to perform such cardinal functions as validating their couple or burying their dead. People can't yet come to terms with their estrangement from Christianity. It will take a few more generations before those leftovers disappear.
Caelum Adustum
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Yes it is irrelevant to what I am asking. Why does a music genre driven by a search for some kind of "truth" or "purity" (or death) not recognize that Islam is just the new Catholocism (albeit much more unorganized, thus less effective)? Maybe it's because the "truth" of the ancient ways was already wiped away or concealed and buried so it no longer matters?
I do agree with both your points that Christian/Catholic ideals are deeply ingrained within us, so much so that now as society tries to tear itself from religion at times it becomes hard to discern what is truely man and what has this dogma made him and that leads to struggle.
