The what's going on in Thrash thread

[Slammed]

Aweeee picking on a 3 yr old's artwork is a bit harsh

 

[TempleOfBlood]

The Force of Habit album cover is just inexcusable.

 

[redfly]

I don't know what the deal was, he wasn't in the band for long and they released another demo in 89 without him. So whether it was issues between members or something else I haven't read, but it was short lived.
It's very raw and Paul's voice definitely would have made Heathen a hell of a band.

Man a pro made album with him in Heathen would have been so good.

 

[redfly]

Exodus were playing thrash before just about everyone. Paul's lack of organisation was nearly as bad as Chuck Schuldiner, the difference was Death was Chuck's band and if he didn't want to get on a plane the band didn't. Paul was never the leader of Exodus and his antics where never going to be allowed to rule the band.

Personal traits aside I still think Exodus needed Zetro to be as big as they were, but Paul was in many ways a better singer.

You know I've read some things on that whole Chuck thing. And I think he may have gotten a bad rap on that.

 

[redfly]

That's true, the first few songs on FAB Des are great but the rest of the album really does fall into the listenable category rather than great. On Bonded there wasn't the difference between the first side and the second side of the record, all the songs hold up well.
I seem to be one of the few who actually thinks Impact was a good album from start to finish, maybe not as good as Bonded but still right up there as a classic Exodus. I also don't hate Force Of Habit as much as I used to, although again there is songs on that album which really shouldn't be there.

I liked Impact a lot..and Fabulous Disaster. But it's been many years since I've listened to either.

 

[Slammed]

Man a pro made album with him in Heathen would have been so good.

Yeah, it's a pity he never really found a home.

 

[Slammed]

You know I've read some things on that whole Chuck thing. And I think he may have gotten a bad rap on that.

In the doco that I posted a while back they talked about, including interviews with him, the number of times he didn't want to do something so it didn't happen. It seemed to be more of an overseas thing, where he didn't want to travel to Europe, but there was interviews with each incarnation of the band that suggested certain tours and gigs didn't happen, or happened under extreme sufferance due to Chuck.

 

[redfly]

Yeah, it's a pity he never really found a home.

It really is!

 

[Slammed]

I liked Impact a lot..and Fabulous Disaster. But it's been many years since I've listened to either.

It just seems that people don't like Impact and don't want to talk about it. Not sure if it was on this forum (UM not the Testament one) or one of the others but I remember someone saying Impact was so childish and immature that it didn't deserve to be called thrash and was the downturn of Exodus. Whereas most people raved about Fab Dis, which is fair enough it's a great album but mainly because of side A, side B doesn't suck but I really can't see them playing Cajun Hell or Low Rider live.

 

[redfly]

In the doco that I posted a while back they talked about, including interviews with him, the number of times he didn't want to do something so it didn't happen. It seemed to be more of an overseas thing, where he didn't want to travel to Europe, but there was interviews with each incarnation of the band that suggested certain tours and gigs didn't happen, or happened under extreme sufferance due to Chuck.

Yeah there are a lot of different views on this and some are very different. I've read a few. But I've only read one in which Chuck was asked about it. I couldn't tell you what's right or wrong. But it's seems there are enough stories that I don't think we can ever fully know. But that's just my opinion.

 

[redfly]

It just seems that people don't like Impact and don't want to talk about it. Not sure if it was on this forum (UM not the Testament one) or one of the others but I remember someone saying Impact was so childish and immature that it didn't deserve to be called thrash and was the downturn of Exodus. Whereas most people raved about Fab Dis, which is fair enough it's a great album but mainly because of side A, side B doesn't suck but I really can't see them playing Cajun Hell or Low Rider live.

Honestly I'd have to go back and listen before I comment on that. I was a young teenager at the time. I do remember specifically liking the song Impact Is Imminent. I remember not caring about Low Rider but I think I liked Cajun Hell at the time.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah there are a lot of different views on this and some are very different. I've read a few. But I've only read one in which Chuck was asked about it. I couldn't tell you what's right or wrong. But it's seems there are enough stories that I don't think we can ever fully know. But that's just my opinion.

I can't remember which version of the band it was but in one interview Chuck actually stated that he didn't like the idea of touring Europe. It was things like safety, costs, and travelling. I believe he was almost justified in his word (if such a thing existed) because the tour he argued about and eventually said no to was the same year that Cliff died in Sweden and then when they did eventually do the tour their van got broken into or stolen.

 

[redfly]

Yeah. I have no idea. This one I read he was very positive about going back and touring right and really wanting to do it. And that they got ripped off or something before or it wasn't put together right.
So I repeat I have no clue.

 

[Slammed]

Honestly I'd have to go back and listen before I comment on that. I was a young teenager at the time. I do remember specifically liking the song Impact Is Imminent. I remember not caring about Low Rider but I think I liked Cajun Hell at the time.

I always loved audience participation songs, bands like KISS have such songs, where they praise the audience and it's almost like they are offering the song to the crowd. Thrash Under Pressure I thought was that kind of song. Sure it was a bit goofy but it was fun and really upbeat, I reckon it would have been a good opener. Impact (the song) is an interesting story and one that was kind of close to home because I'd lost a number of friends to drink driving in the years leading up to that song and the idea of being bulletproof behind the wheel explained things too well.

I never hated Cajun Hell, but it's like Choose Your Weapon (from Pleasures) it's a song I just don't connect with any more.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah. I have no idea. This one I read he was very positive about going back and touring right and really wanting to do it. And that they got ripped off or something before or it wasn't put together right.
So I repeat I have no clue.

What I got from the interviews in the doco was that Chuck did say their Leprosy tour was poorly organised and that lead to him pulling out of the 1990 tour the day before he was due to leave. He also cites some 'personal' issues as the reason. The tour went on without Chuck, which sounds a bit silly but probably saved him from being sued. But after that Chuck did change his mind about touring Europe, and it was only Europe he had issue with.

It was the 88 tour, 2 years after Cliff's death, that they had issues on the road. It was mainly bad organisation which I think was probably the label's doing, shit like wanting them to drive 18 hours between gigs and shitty venues etc. The Cliff connection was that they either had an accident at/near the spot Cliff was killed or they nearly had an accident because the conditions were so bad.

 

[redfly]

I always loved audience participation songs, bands like KISS have such songs, where they praise the audience and it's almost like they are offering the song to the crowd. Thrash Under Pressure I thought was that kind of song. Sure it was a bit goofy but it was fun and really upbeat, I reckon it would have been a good opener. Impact (the song) is an interesting story and one that was kind of close to home because I'd lost a number of friends to drink driving in the years leading up to that song and the idea of being bulletproof behind the wheel explained things too well.

I never hated Cajun Hell, but it's like Choose Your Weapon (from Pleasures) it's a song I just don't connect with any more.

Yeah I do to.
Oh I didn't know that's what that song was about! Or maybe I did? Lol. Okay, it's been way too long since I've heard it. I only have the cassette so I'll youtube it tonight.

 

[Slammed]

Impact Is Imminent or Thrash Under Pressure?
Impact is all about crashing cars, I don't know if it's a personal song for one of them but it's fairly well detailed like they were trying to tell someone something...maybe even themselves!
Thrash isn't quite a KISS type 'we love you you're the best fans ever, let's celebrate' but to me it's written for the fans to thrash to in the audience. A song about how they'll always play thrash and don't care what people think. And how they'll come into town and trash for the fans. I think it was probably written more about 80's bands changing style than it was for the fans, but I've always considered it a fan song.

Interestingly I just read on wiki that while Impact was not widely praised one of the reviews was "the most forgettable album of Exodus' career" obviously that was written before Force Of Habit, but I still think it's harsh.

 

[Slammed]

So I was having a listen to Fistful of Metal today, and at the same time reading a bit about the album.
Firstly while I knew Malcolm Dome, journalist who died the other day, coined the term Thrash metal, I didn't realise it was while he was talking about the song Metal Thrashing Mad that he did so.
Things I can confirm:
Neil's vocals are shit. Eddie Trunk told them as much in 1983 and started the push to have him replaced
Anthrax have been poor at doing covers since their debut when they covered I'm Eighteen by Alice Cooper
There is some good, even great guitar work on the album and Danny Spitz is really on fire.
This album also paved the way for the band treating musos they didn't want like shit, Dan Lilker and Greg Walls were first cabs off the rank. Of course there is two sides to every story but even the Anthrax side doesn't look good for those two.

Something else which is not really related to my lack of enjoyment with the album but is kind of funny considering the way Scott keeps talking about their influence and their role in the Big 4. I listened to FOM on the official Anthrax channel where it's all individual songs, the average number of viewers for each song which have been posted for over 3 years now is well less than 50K with the two highest songs (Deathrider and Metal Thrashing Mad) both reaching over 120K. The most any song has in "likes" is about 1.3K.

Now I haven't compared that to any other band but consider Scott seems to think they are one of the biggest thrash bands in the world and deserve all the accolades they can have it does seem a little low on the like and viewing side, perhaps Scott's fans just aren't on the Internet.

Spoiler

Edit: I did look at Bonded By Blood's figures and they shit all over FOM!

 

[redfly]

Impact Is Imminent or Thrash Under Pressure?
Impact is all about crashing cars, I don't know if it's a personal song for one of them but it's fairly well detailed like they were trying to tell someone something...maybe even themselves!
Thrash isn't quite a KISS type 'we love you you're the best fans ever, let's celebrate' but to me it's written for the fans to thrash to in the audience. A song about how they'll always play thrash and don't care what people think. And how they'll come into town and trash for the fans. I think it was probably written more about 80's bands changing style than it was for the fans, but I've always considered it a fan song.

Interestingly I just read on wiki that while Impact was not widely praised one of the reviews was "the most forgettable album of Exodus' career" obviously that was written before Force Of Habit, but I still think it's harsh.

Oh. Sorry. I mean Impact. I haven't gotten to it because I started cooking.

Man that is harsh. And you're right Habit wasn't out yet lol.

 

[redfly]

So I was having a listen to Fistful of Metal today, and at the same time reading a bit about the album.
Firstly while I knew Malcolm Dome, journalist who died the other day, coined the term Thrash metal, I didn't realise it was while he was talking about the song Metal Thrashing Mad that he did so.
Things I can confirm:
Neil's vocals are shit. Eddie Trunk told them as much in 1983 and started the push to have him replaced
Anthrax have been poor at doing covers since their debut when they covered I'm Eighteen by Alice Cooper
There is some good, even great guitar work on the album and Danny Spitz is really on fire.
This album also paved the way for the band treating musos they didn't want like shit, Dan Lilker and Greg Walls were first cabs off the rank. Of course there is two sides to every story but even the Anthrax side doesn't look good for those two.

Something else which is not really related to my lack of enjoyment with the album but is kind of funny considering the way Scott keeps talking about their influence and their role in the Big 4. I listened to FOM on the official Anthrax channel where it's all individual songs, the average number of viewers for each song which have been posted for over 3 years now is well less than 50K with the two highest songs (Deathrider and Metal Thrashing Mad) both reaching over 120K. The most any song has in "likes" is about 1.3K.

Now I haven't compared that to any other band but consider Scott seems to think they are one of the biggest thrash bands in the world and deserve all the accolades they can have it does seem a little low on the like and viewing side, perhaps Scott's fans just aren't on the Internet.

Spoiler

Edit: I did look at Bonded By Blood's figures and they shit all over FOM!

Hehe. That all sounds right.
I had noticed that about their songs on youtube. The video versions of their song seem much higher. But that's true for just about all them which I think evens it out and Anthrax is still the lowest over all. They ave some great stuff. but they really seem like they were kind of in the right places at the right times.