Thermionik Amp Modeler Plugin by Kazrog LLC

[Kazrog]

Hmmm, I'm not sure the customer base will necessarily see it that way; not with the amp modelling market utterly flooded right now. I think there is a significant portion of the marketplace who want Axe FX II and Kemper quality from a plugin, at a tenth of the cost of those hardware units. Might be worth bearing in mind.

So you don't think that there's room in the marketplace for something better than either of those at a tenth the cost?

I will say this, I've done more competitive research with amp modelers than I've admitted here. I just don't want to contribute to the DSP "dick weaving" war that some developers have gotten into. It's up to the users to decide what they like best for their music, so who am I to try to tell someone that they shouldn't be happy with something they're happy with?

 

[Studdy]

Not gonna lie, i was hoping for a better price point for longtime recabinet users. Not that im cheap, i just figured 19.00 was where you were going to be. When you add recabinet cost + thermonik uprgrade it is the exact same price you are offering it to everyone for. I was also hoping it wouldnt be your common 5150 and mesa emulations. Not saying yours are not better, but i already have like 10 of each. Will i be able to buy just a single amp for 7.99? or do i have to buy the initial release?

 

[Kazrog]

Not gonna lie, i was hoping for a better price point for longtime recabinet users. I was also hoping it wouldnt be your common 5150 and mesa emulations. Not saying yours are not better, but i already have like 10 of each. Will i be able to buy just a single amp for 7.99? or do i have to buy the initial release?

You have to own the Recabinet 4 plugin to buy the add-on amp models. The pricing is really low right now for upgrades. Recabinet 3 was released in January 2011 and received a ton of features in the form of free updates for the last several years (speaker dynamics, panning, third party IR import, etc.), but at some point it was time for a major paid upgrade. This is still some of the lowest pricing in the industry, but I'm sorry if you're disappointed in any way.

 

[Studdy]

I just figured having recabinet 3 prior would have been beneficial for savings. But at $30.00 u.s. plus price of recabinet originally its the same price anyone would pay today. Am i wrong? I like recabinet and wish you the best. For now i will hold out until i hear some more amps. Thanks for your reply.

 

[Kazrog]

I just figured having recabinet 3 prior would have been beneficial for savings. But at $30.00 u.s. plus price of recabinet originally its the same price anyone would pay today. Am i wrong? I like recabinet and wish you the best. For now i will hold out until i hear some more amps. Thanks for your reply.

It depends on when people bought Recabinet 3 and at what price. Also, one thing you have to factor in is that any existing user got potentially years of use and free updates, whereas someone who held out until now missed all of that.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

The audio samples dont sound bad but dont sound great either. Doesnt seem kinda tones that cant be replicated with the actual ampsims, like X50 or Emissary.

Anyway, I hope to hear more samples.

 

[Kazrog]

There's a wide range of tones possible in Recabinet 4 / Thermionik. My production style might not be everyone's cup of tea. More samples are in order, and obviously there will be a free demo so guys can judge for yourselves.

 

[Manicompression]

The clips on the site sound really good to me. I think the asking price of the upgrade or the vip package seem crazy low, any lower and you might as well make it freeware. I cannot relate to the complaints on that one.

I am curious to know generally what it is that you feel you have done differently to arrive at more accurate speaker dynamics / amp simulation vs the other guys in regards to your process and theirs. Obviously your justifiably uncomfortable elaborating too much based on my reading of the threads about your products, but I think some basis for comparison could open up a discussion about the merits of the approaches that are out there. Kind of in the same way that algorithmic vs convolution reverbs both have merits, and better applications depending who you ask.

 

[Rupturemetal]

Mako Dorado please

 

[Kazrog]

The clips on the site sound really good to me. I think the asking price of the upgrade or the vip package seem crazy low, any lower and you might as well make it freeware. I cannot relate to the complaints on that one.

Thanks! Pricing is a really interesting thing - marketing guru Seth Godin says that once you get to a certain low price threshold, entirely different markets can be defined in terms of price increments of $1 up or down. I can't blame anyone for wanting to find a better deal - things can always be cheaper in life (at least theoretically.)

I am curious to know generally what it is that you feel you have done differently to arrive at more accurate speaker dynamics / amp simulation vs the other guys in regards to your process and theirs. Obviously your justifiably uncomfortable elaborating too much based on my reading of the threads about your products, but I think some basis for comparison could open up a discussion about the merits of the approaches that are out there. Kind of in the same way that algorithmic vs convolution reverbs both have merits, and better applications depending who you ask.

I'll talk about how it differs in terms of the experience of using the plugin and playing through it:

• Incredibly accurate, satisfying picking attack response. Many modelers can sound good in a mix, but don't feel as inspiring to play through as a real amp - this is the primary reason why.
• More accurate, detailed low end frequency response, rather than the cloudy, persistent/compressed low end that most modelers have.
• More accurate emulation of the interaction between the power amp and speaker, which in turn is part of the "play feel" in terms of the picking attack envelope.
• More realistic response to changes in guitar volume knob level, so you can get some great swells and get semi-clean tones through a lead channel just like on a real amp.
• Totally accurate tone stack modeling, with exact 1:1 ratio of knob controls to the amps modeled.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head. The technology under the hood is a hybrid of many different existing approaches, but in a totally new way.

 

[Kazrog]

Mako Dorado please

Hard to find much info on these, but they look great. I'll add it to the list and see if I know anyone that has one. Thanks!

 

[aortizjr]

Is it possible to separate the different power amp sections from the pre-amp sections?

Long time recabinet user and you do mention which poweramp you use (A Egnater/Randall one I think). But it would be cool to be able to combine say my ENGL E530 physical preamp with say the Savage 120 power amp section and recabinet impulse with speaker dynamics.

 

[Kazrog]

Is it possible to separate the different power amp sections from the pre-amp sections?

Yes, you can mix and match, and bypass each one if you want.

Long time recabinet user and you do mention which poweramp you use (A Egnater/Randall one I think). But it would be cool to be able to combine say my ENGL E530 physical preamp with say the Savage 120 power amp section and recabinet impulse with speaker dynamics.

I used the Randall poweramp for the Recabinet 1&2 libraries. Recabinet 3 onward was a solid state power amp, though, as I wanted to avoid any coloration.

Thermionik was designed in such a way that it can be used as a standalone amp modeler, or as simply a power amp simulator for use with an external preamp such as your e530.

 

[newamerikangospel]

My cobra is going to be famous

 

[nezvers]

Just suggestion, maybe you could get Mickrich to do some cab impulses. He's best in that stuff.

 

[guy in latvia]

I'm very excited for this, definitely a step forward. I still really hope you add more bass amps and cabs, since everything in the plugin word is not even close to the real thing. Also, please add a guitar cab with K-100 speakers!

Thanks for listening!

 

[drew_drummer]

So you don't think that there's room in the marketplace for something better than either of those at a tenth the cost?

Well I think they're widely considered to be the best solutions. None of the software emulations right now come as close. Better would of course be er... better!

I will give it a go though, I use Recabinet all the time!

 

[Ericlingus]

can't wait until it comes out. I'll have to pre order it soon. More IRs would be cool as well but I'm far more excited about the amps! Awesome that you have a savage 120 in there! Also really cool that you are releasing amp model packs in the future

 

[SendFire]

Please make some Diezel amp models...to my knowledge the only amp sim out there with a decent one is the AxeFX (Das Metal I believe). It would be superb to have one in Thermionik.

 

[Kazrog]

Please make some Diezel amp models...to my knowledge the only amp sim out there with a decent one is the AxeFX (Das Metal I believe). It would be superb to have one in Thermionik.

There are a couple of Diezel heads on my list.