Tool?
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Amen, Brother!!
I'm going to stay out of this one. These young 'uns will know what we're talking about.
Protected Witness
Magickal Theatre 33
That's pretty bold to say on a metal forum.
Tool and Opeth are pretty different. It's like apples and oranges again (mudvayne and Nile, whew, that was a good one!).
I like em both cause they are way into their art more than anything else, and it's GOOD art. What more could you ask for?
wow. first of all, i ask why people like tool so much because i would like to know. nothing i have heard from them warrants fanatic following, or even rating them as one of the better acts from their very own state in the last decade. as far as not being able to grasp the music, i grasp all i can from it, and there's just not much there. i don't listen to 2-dimensional metal, i actually probably have the most varied tastes in music of anyone you would ever meet. i have an idea what i'm talking about. lateralus is different from aenima, it's nowhere near as good in my opinion. and i'm not seeing what it is in tool's music that's so "transcendent". it seems to me like a lot of times, people listen to the music and it's like "OK... these are strange guys... the CD has really weird cover art... and they have alot of odd little noises between songs... this music must be really artful and profound!" the actual songs seem quite ordinary to these ears. and, finally, as far as tool vs. Opeth goes, i wasn't comparing the 2, i was merely trying to find a good reason for the tool worship subscribed to by alot of Opeth fans (on this forum, obviously). that, as it turns out, has been a fruitless search.
Board
A role model to mankind:
I thought it was
Can I get a woop-woop??!!
It's impossible to say why you like a band, so I think it's a bit ridiculous asking a question like that. If one ask me why Gershwin's "Summertime" is my favorite song of all time I think the best answer I can give will be "Because it's beautiful and sad", but that's not really a good answer. "Everybody hurts" by R.E.M. is sad as well I guess, but that song does absolutely nothing for me!
I feel a bit stupid, 'cause everytime a discussion like this comes up I come as a teacher and says "Everybody got different taste" and so on.
I agree with TheBigJones47 that it sometimes seems like some music is cool, just because it has to be to be cool. Kind of like clothes that are fashionable, but I don't think that's really the point here. If you think "Lateralus" isn't as good as "Anema" that's cool, everybody's got different taste as I said. You know there are some people who think James Last has released the best records EVER! Are you speechless again or what? I don't really know what else to say and I don't feel that there needs any more explaining.
ffanatic
Pleonexian Antigenesis
This is completely unrelated, but I think it's impossible for a song to be too long. There, I said it.
Oh, and I can't talk about Tool, I'm far too biased.
Oh, and I can't talk about Tool, I'm far too biased.
Iblys
www.lucidfalls.com
Tool are good.
Opeth are good.
Some people like both.
Some like only one.
Some like neither.
Neither band is shit.
Some people cannot appreciate what Opeth do because it doesn't tickle their fancy.
Some people cannot appreciate what Tool do because it doens't tickle their fancy.
To call either band shit or untalented is stupid.
To say Deliverance is the same as Morningrise is stupid.
To say Lateralus is the same as Aenima is stupid.
Opeth are good.
Some people like both.
Some like only one.
Some like neither.
Neither band is shit.
Some people cannot appreciate what Opeth do because it doesn't tickle their fancy.
Some people cannot appreciate what Tool do because it doens't tickle their fancy.
To call either band shit or untalented is stupid.
To say Deliverance is the same as Morningrise is stupid.
To say Lateralus is the same as Aenima is stupid.
GreatPhoenix
paradox placebo
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dude you're certainly exaggerating on Lateralus having 30 minutes of actual music. There's plenty of music there. But I can understand your problem with die hard Tool fan's who think they're the greatest band on earth and you don't think they're THAT special. Reasonable opinion and I can see where you're coming from.
Personally I think they're an amazing band, certainly better than most of the radio music available these days. The reason they have such a widespread fan-base is because their music is complicated and does require a more-than-average level of talent and a good deal of creativity yet at the same time it's melodic, has great rhythm and is generally very easy to get into. That's the problem that the average music fan has with bands like Opeth and Green Carnation, edit:the fact that they're too complicated and too hard to follow and actually require a better understanding for the art.
And Tool is simply on the borderline of acceptance, with their long songs ranging from 5-10 minutes and slow rhythmic intros to each song (as opposed to simply bursting into the song with a heavy beat) and that's why everyone praises them so strongly. Personally Tool is one of my favorite bands RIGHT under Green Carnation.
Kiljaeden
Zombie
Tool, I think are a very thought provoking band. IMO the things that they do, all entwined together eg. visuals, music, philosophy is amazing. No other band that I know of, have such a visual and mind enhancing show. I guess you either love or hate Tool.
Ths is retarded. This is like saying, "I don't see why so many people like (insert band name here) because I would like to know. Nothing I heard warrants fanatic following. I just don't get it." YO!!!! Wake up!!!! Everybody has different musical tastes!!!! Just because you don't get the music doesn't mean it's bad. It's really easy for anybody to say "Your favorite band sucks because I can't understand why they're good." It's just stupid. If you're going to present an argument, present it well.
KielbasaSausage
YARRRRG
last time i checked, the 2 members of opeth who like tool have nothing to do with writing opeth's material. your statement is completely irrelevant.
Tool don't use the simplistic or catchy melodies that a lot of bands out there are using in their music. That's what I like about them. When I listen to Tool, I don't hear a guy hacking away at a guitar or banging on the drums. The elements combine to form an 'atmosphere'.
Some of the bands that people worship on this forum sound like crap to me. Most use simplistic drumming and keyboards and standard solos and riffing which does very little for me. I don't go around knocking them though.
Each to their own.
Some of the bands that people worship on this forum sound like crap to me. Most use simplistic drumming and keyboards and standard solos and riffing which does very little for me. I don't go around knocking them though.
Each to their own.
Iblys
www.lucidfalls.com
KielbasaSausage. Since you obviously know exactly how Opeth works as a band, within the context of writing/approving/playing their own original material, I hereby surrender to any and all of your arguments.
I humbly beg forgiveness and pardon on the part of both myself and anyone who may have (foolishly) thought that the two members of Opeth to which you refer had any sort of creative input into the band.
I also beg pardon for having thought that members of Opeth have tastes and preferences that are anything other than irrelevant.
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You sir are an idiot.
I humbly beg forgiveness and pardon on the part of both myself and anyone who may have (foolishly) thought that the two members of Opeth to which you refer had any sort of creative input into the band.
I also beg pardon for having thought that members of Opeth have tastes and preferences that are anything other than irrelevant.
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You sir are an idiot.
Static
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Wraith
I think track 1 on lateralus (the grudge) is the perfect length..... I got a toooon of respect for tool..... even though they aren't my favorite band now (they are way up there), Lateralus was the album that got me utterly obsessed with music once again....I could not stop listening to the friggin cd for months.... it was perfect..... and The Grudge was fuckin incredible when I first heard it....
KielbasaSausage
YARRRRG
Originally posted by Iblys
KielbasaSausage. Since you obviously know exactly how Opeth works as a band, within the context of writing/approving/playing their own original material, I hereby surrender to any and all of your arguments.
I humbly beg forgiveness and pardon on the part of both myself and anyone who may have (foolishly) thought that the two members of Opeth to which you refer had any sort of creative input into the band.
I also beg pardon for having thought that members of Opeth have tastes and preferences that are anything other than irrelevant.
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You sir are an idiot.
well, seems as if the opeth forum has attracted another musically and mentally handicapped person. I like tool and i never said anything negative about them, yet you made it seem otherwise. everyone on this board knows that Mikael Akerfeldt writes all the music for Opeth; the others obviously have their own style and add a little here and there to the music. As you have previously stated, an opeth band member "[called] [Lateralus] the best album ever." He might as well have the worst music taste ever because he doesnt write opeth's music you fuckin retard
. Also, i could point out that before the "Martins" (who are the 2 people in opeth that like tool) joined the band, opeth's music was still incredible (many opeth fans believe these earlier albums to be the best). now im not saying that opeth's albums progressively became worse because of the addition of the two "tool fans," but to tell the "lateralus haters" to change their opinion on a "shitty album" because of the fact that two tool fans are members of opeth is completely senseless my friend.P.S. - Did you recently discover Opeth through Deliverance?
Iblys
www.lucidfalls.com
From KielbasaSausage's first post:
Until you can promise me that Mikael wrote every note and beat on every Opeth album EVER (which you can't, because Mikael admits that the other guys have helped out, even as far as vocal lines), saying that the Martins (i.e. the Tool fans) don't take part in writing the music is just..... well.... fucking stupid.
From KielbasaSausage's second post:
Contradiction. Work it out dude.
Until you can promise me that Mikael wrote every note and beat on every Opeth album EVER (which you can't, because Mikael admits that the other guys have helped out, even as far as vocal lines), saying that the Martins (i.e. the Tool fans) don't take part in writing the music is just..... well.... fucking stupid.
Nah. First Opeth song I heard was April Ethereal. A mate lent me Still Life maybe two years ago. I now own aaaaalmost all of their cds.
