Turisas cancels ProgPower USA appearance

As for them being a gimmick, lots of gimmick bands in our genre. There's nothing wrong with gimmicks, especially if they are a gimmick no one thought of before, like a capella metal. Of course, if we're drowning in a capella metal bands like we're already drowning in Viking bands five years from now, it will get pretty tired pretty quick.

Same can be said with any genre of music. Look at the over saturated genre of power metal, death metal, and black metal. People done want to admit that there is over saturation in the genre they love. It happens with every genre. Sure there are more Pagan bands now more than ever. To many it is a new genre to exploit so of course you are going to see more. Would you really think 4 years ago that Metal Blade would sign Skyforger or Nuclear Blast would sign Swashbuckle? No. Since there is money to be made everyone is going for thier piece of it. Sure it sucks that a once great genre is now filled with crap, but that is what has happened with every genre. Look at the black metal scene....when it started you had guys burning churches and killing each other....now you have 16 year old suburban kids copying the look and sound.

To say that it will all get tired pretty quick can be said about anything. If power metal was still so fresh and exciting why are more people not talking about it like it was the greatest thing out there or even why isnt this years fest sold out yet then?

Like a few have mentioned before.....it is interesting that suddenly everyone who was excited about Turisas have turned on them and are now excited to see Blackguard even though most have posted here before bashing them for touring to much or having seen them and not liking them. It seems people have selected memory or scared to speak the truth on certain topics. Sure it is cool to have an extra band but to me it actually soils what the fest is about. For years I looked at PP as a fest that selected the best and most interesting for each line up. I looked forward each year to see who is playing because it kind of represented the best of the genre. With the addition of Blackguard it kind of brings things down for me personally. Kind of like going to shows locally and seeing extra bands tacked on and having to wait longer for the bands I want to see.
 
As for them being a gimmick, lots of gimmick bands in our genre. There's nothing wrong with gimmicks, especially if they are a gimmick no one thought of before, like a capella metal. Of course, if we're drowning in a capella metal bands like we're already drowning in Viking bands five years from now, it will get pretty tired pretty quick.

Personally, I hate the phrase "gimmick band". It gives the impression that what these guys do isn't of some value. I can understand some not liking the style, but just because someone doesn't like it doesn't make what they do a "gimmick". To me, a gimmick is something that doesn't have anything to do with the music, like Kiss' makeup, Alice Cooper's stage show, or GWAR's costumes. Such things have little to do with the relative quality of the music itself.

Diabolik said:
Like a few have mentioned before.....it is interesting that suddenly everyone who was excited about Turisas have turned on them and are now excited to see Blackguard even though most have posted here before bashing them for touring to much or having seen them and not liking them. It seems people have selected memory or scared to speak the truth on certain topics. Sure it is cool to have an extra band but to me it actually soils what the fest is about. For years I looked at PP as a fest that selected the best and most interesting for each line up. I looked forward each year to see who is playing because it kind of represented the best of the genre. With the addition of Blackguard it kind of brings things down for me personally. Kind of like going to shows locally and seeing extra bands tacked on and having to wait longer for the bands I want to see.

While I can empathize a bit, I have a feeling that because of all the planning that went into inserting Turisas into the lineup that it probably isn't as simple as compressing the schedule. There were probably commitments made that needed to be fulfilled. Personally, I'd rather the schedule shrink as well, but there could be things preventing that from happening.

In any case, if you haven't seen them, it gives you another opportunity to see a band you haven't seen before and maybe you'd be surprised. Personally, I have seen them and they weren't my thing, but that doesn't mean they can't be your thing.
 
Turisas is no loss for me. Gimmick metal that will run its course anyways.
Haha. A review on Metal-Archives calls Blackguard: "Turisas, now with 100% more stupidity - 25%".

And here's the review:
God bless Nuclear Blast. They’ve given us so many class acts, like Nightwish! Who…released an awful abomination of an album soon after they got there. Or Dimmu Borgir! Who…are almost completely unlistenable. Or Arsis! Who…went from technical, melodic and complex Death Metal to worthless, trendy Tech Death nothingness within three albums. Okay, so they don’t exactly have the best record, but that’s just because they need to make money, like any corporation. So they put out music that continually disappoints, even reducing good bands like Rage to mediocrity at times. It’s practically a cause for rioting. So, it should come as no surprise to anyone that one of their newest corporate sell-out whores is Blackguard, who were formerly known as Profugus Mortis, and who debuted last year on this label with their first album, Profugus Mortis. Stunning originality, I know.

This is just music that makes me feel dumber as I listen to it. Nothing about this is in any way compelling or thought-provoking; it’s all very simple and basic. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing in some cases, but in this kind of speed-freak, technical jamboree of metal and folk influences, I’d expect some degree of thought to be put into something about it. Even their new name makes no sense; what kind of a name is Blackguard? It’s the kind of generic label that I’d expect to find on any kind of corporate logo. It could be an energy drink. A condom advertisement. A new brand of deodorant. What’s the connection to Heavy Metal?

The actual music is nothing short of uninteresting and annoying, the equivalent of a bunch of kids banging on pots and pans while the only one with a sore throat screams his lungs out…well, that’s probably how a lot of these kinds of bands got started, but I digress. There just isn’t much to say about this kind of stuff. It’s like Bal Sagoth without any songwriting talent. Sometimes they conjure up some vaguely good sounding melody or a riff that isn’t half bad, but that’s like one-in-five times. This band’s problem is that they have no subtlety. The keyboards are turned way up, the guitars bash out third-rate versions of already third-rate Korpiklaani riffs and the singer yowls like a banshee with its head cut off. Nothing is done in a way that entices the listener to hear more. Why would you want to? They sell themselves so goddamned short with the very first song that there isn’t a point in listening to the rest.

Indeed, “Scarlet to Snow,” the first track, is…okay, I’m about to embarrass myself here, because it really isn’t bad. The riffs are kind of fun and the band’s energy is endearing for all of three minutes, and that orchestral intro is pretty decent. So, like any third-rate act with no creativity or talent, what do they do? Repeat the same damn thing over and over again, drilling it into your consciousness until you are subdued into a mindless glaze. Or until you bang your head against the fucking wall because you can’t fucking take it anymore.

Every time they introduce some good idea, it is immediately flushed down the drain like Nuclear Blast was looking over their shoulders telling them not to write anything cool. Melodies and themes are repeated ad nauseam, with no regard for the listener’s peace of mind. It’s seriously like the band could have ended each of these songs a minute or even two minutes earlier, but they had to pad them out to make this a full length album, so they just repeated the same shit for an extra minute and a half. It’s excruciating. The silly, jingly keys are laid over this like butter on a cheap whore, and the whole thing just keeps annoying you over, and over, and over, and over…

I mean, goddamn! What the fuck is this, happy hour at the Finntroll clone bar? How is this entertainment? Blackguard may be trilling happily away at their pre-processed folksy instruments, but I’m sure not in any happy place tonight. I am just about sick of this happy-clappy, superficial electronic-folk-metal-lite bullshit, and I’m putting my foot down right here. Blackguard, you suck. Nuclear Blast, blow me. If this album is presented to you, just run; run far and run fast. I can’t stand even one more lick of this crap, so for me, this is over now. What a load of swill!
 
While I can empathize a bit, I have a feeling that because of all the planning that went into inserting Turisas into the lineup that it probably isn't as simple as compressing the schedule. There were probably commitments made that needed to be fulfilled. Personally, I'd rather the schedule shrink as well, but there could be things preventing that from happening.

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That is a very astute observation and 100% correct.
 
Since batmura showed one review from Metal Archives, I'll show another:

Excellent Debut - 80%

Metal Archives said:
I first heard of Blackguard after seeing them kick off Summer Slaughter in Denver. Throughout the entire show they had incredible stage presence and musicianship which led to them walking throughout the crowd and talking with people after their set was finished. I personally met them all and was convinced enough to buy their album, Profugus Mortis. As if their musicianship didn’t stick out enough at the concert, it came through in an even clearer form on the disc. With that said, let’s start the review.

As the album begins, majestic sounding horns and strings play to give off an epic, somewhat royal feel to the atmosphere. This is just a mere build up to the fast paced riffs of “Scarlet to Snow”. Filled with relentless drumming, chugging guitars, creeping synths, and arpeggio filled leads reminiscent of neo classical shred every which way you look, the opening track immediately sets the mood for the listener. As I said before, there are solos galore; both on guitar and synth. Not only are solos frequent in the opening track, but also throughout the album. There are taps, sweeps, shreds, string skipped leads, and everything in between throughout this album. Even the bass player has a moment of solo work in “Cinder” as well as some interesting rythyms to thump behind the wall of music being produced from everyone else. With all of the pounding drums, chugging guitars, pumping bass, and artificial horns provided by the keyboard player, they add much originality to the folk metal scene that has such an abused sound nowadays. From this originality, it’s no wonder Nuclear Blast picked them for the best myspace band contest winners over all other competitors, which led to their name change of Profugus Mortis, to Blackguard.

So with this epic folk shred sound going for them, who could possibly lead this group vocally? Well, the answer is quite simple. Paul Zinay is able to fit his vocals fit the music like a glove. While he isn’t the best vocalist, his vocals go well with the music. Typically staying in a higher range, Zinay is also capable of some decent low-end growls for the darker parts of the nine songs. A downside to him is his limited range, as well as how inaudible he is. He tends to stay in his comfort zone while screaming, but then again, with how much he tends to scream in the songs, it’s understandable, considering it’s a wonder he has enough air to perform the songs. The few breaks he gets come from the instrumental sections, typically in the middle of the song. Other than that, he’s screaming at an almost constant rate, keeping up with their drummer who never seems to let up on the double pedal, whether it she’s flat out peddling, or playing complex pedal patterns that weave in and out of her stick work.

So with all of the good, there must also be bad, thankfully, there aren’t too many bad things about this release. As mentioned before, the vocals stay within a limited range, which isn’t a very bad thing, but it does suck some of the possible originality out of the music that could have be attained if Zinay had been able to successfully experiment a bit. Now comes the main drawback of this release. While the leads are fantastic, and frequent, they are very over used. The triads and sweeps that appear in some songs, tend to resurface in other songs such as “Scarlet to Snow” and “The Sword” which share similar, if not, identical leads. While the leads to sound bad, they just make the album seem repetitive before it’s even over, which is disappointing considering this release had the potential to be great rather than just good.
There aren’t any bad or filler songs on this album, but there are definitely some stand out songs. Check out the lead happy “Scarlet to Snow”, the incredibly fast paced “This Round’s on Me”, the dark feel of “I Demon”, the chanting choirs during the bridge in “The Sword” (my personal favorite song), and the folksy yet battle ready “The Last We Wage.” Even if this group has released an album under a different name, their Nuclear Blast debut under the name Blackguard is worth a listen from all fans of fast, melodic metal.
 
For years I looked at PP as a fest that selected the best and most interesting for each line up. I looked forward each year to see who is playing because it kind of represented the best of the genre. With the addition of Blackguard it kind of brings things down for me personally. Kind of like going to shows locally and seeing extra bands tacked on and having to wait longer for the bands I want to see.

In addition to Longshot's comments being correct, I'd also like to address this. I would love to stay true to the original formula and cherry pick the best of both genres each year. However, the reality now is that people would rather read about how good the roster is instead of actually buying a ticket.

Thus, I do what I have to do to keep the festival afloat. Somethings are very obvious and somethings the general public has no clue about behind the scenes. I wish I could address every armchair quarterback (some valid & respected, some idiotic), but I just have to grin and nod my head....
 
Glen, sorry to hear of that happening.
That really blows.

What chaps my hide though is how when TURISAS were announced, the majority were waving their plastic swords in the air. Now that they pulled out, the majority are saying, "who cares, they are a bunch of gimmicky posers"

One person is hardly a majority.
 
No contradiction. When Turisas was announced, fans made their happiness known, and those who didn't care for Turisas(the majority of regular PP fans I would bet), kept their peace. It's a bonus band and they would sell tickets, so why would dedicated PP fans bitch?

Now that Turisas has done something rather er, inexplicable, those of us who didn't really like them feel freer to criticize them.
This.

Glenn puts his ass on the line every year with this festival. I've seen a lot of great performances that I would have never seen, if it wasn't for this festival. To my mind, whiny and bitching because an announcement, or even an entire line-up, isn't to my liking, just seems ungrateful. I realize there are some who view such silence as a passive form of ass-kissing. However, I see it as being respectful, thankful, and not being a douche.*

*Note... my comments aren't directed at anyone.
 
No contradiction. When Turisas was announced, fans made their happiness known, and those who didn't care for Turisas(the majority of regular PP fans I would bet), kept their peace. It's a bonus band and they would sell tickets, so why would dedicated PP fans bitch?

I won't bother answering this out of respect for Glen and the festival.

Enough has been said.
 
Ed,

Which email address do you have on file with me? I have searched and found 3 different ones in my emails. Perhaps I had you on the mailing list with one that is no longer active? Email me and let me know.
I've done the same, since I too did not get that email.

I like Viking/Folk metal or whatever you want to call it. May wear out on me, but so far it hasn't. I like Turisas music and the addition of the unusual metal instruments. Not all that keen on face paint. Bit over the top for me. I was pleased when they were added and said so.

Disappointed in the way their cancellation was handled, but not writing off the actual band for that. Gonna did a little deeper into who exactly was the management responsible. :bah:

Blackguard? Don't know 'em. Saw the video and saw a little bit of interest to give them a shot, but it wasn't a great video. Then again, I give everyone a shot. ProgPower has turned me on to a lot of bands and genres I formerly dismissed, so I'll give these guys a chance. My attention span is short, though, so you may see me at the bar by song three.
 
ProgPower is actually what got me into folk metal via Wuthering Heights in 2004.
I prefer the bands who focus on clean vocals (Wuthering, Skyclad, Mago de Oz, Lumsk, Elvenking, Tyr).
For me, it's a casual interest.
 
To suggest TYR are progressive is a stretch but often "progressive" seems very subjective around here.


What defines 'progressive' around here mostly seems to mean "sounds like dream theater", and the further away from that tired status quo the sound is, it seems like the more poorly a band will be received. To be honest I'm not too upset about Turisas being removed from the roster, I just find the double standards around here somewhat baffling, when the criticisms directed at the band in question also apply to bands that are generally liked here.
 
What defines 'progressive' around here mostly seems to mean "sounds like dream theater", and the further away from that tired status quo the sound is, it seems like the more poorly a band will be received. To be honest I'm not too upset about Turisas being removed from the roster, I just find the double standards around here somewhat baffling, when the criticisms directed at the band in question also apply to bands that are generally liked here.

I agree on all points.
 
God damn it!

I just spent $150 bucks at Ticket bastard just to see Tyr and Turisas. That's it, just those two bands.

-_-. Fucking hell.
 
God damn it!

I just spent $150 bucks at Ticket bastard just to see Tyr and Turisas. That's it, just those two bands.

Needless to say I now have 2 one day (Friday) tickets for sale if anyone is interested -_-. Fucking hell.

How about just give the other bands, including Blackguard a chance as opposed to making like the festival is worthless without Turisas?
 
How about just give the other bands, including Blackguard a chance as opposed to making like the festival is worthless without Turisas?

I have given them all a chance, and none of them suite my taste. I'm not saying any of them suck, just saying that they aren't what I spent my money to hear.
 
How about just give the other bands, including Blackguard a chance as opposed to making like the festival is worthless without Turisas?

Seriously. There's enough talent to go around on this fest. Though I will say now I find Saturday to be even more superior than it already was. Not complaining though. Actually I'm stoked I'll have more free time during the day since all three bands I'm not interested in are on Friday.
 
I have given them all a chance, and none of them suite my taste. I'm not saying any of them suck, just saying that they aren't what I spent my money to hear.

Gotcha. In that case, good luck trying to sell your Friday ticket. The lineup is solid. I'm sorry none of the bands actually appeal to you.