US Education

Life wouldn't be complicated if everyone went to work, put in a "productive" day, shower, eat, etc.... It would be downright depressing. An education consisting of a broader range of knowledge is at least a start towards breaking the work-centered lifestyle encouraged in the U.S.

And why do you think everybody in this country finds that lifestyle "downright depressing"?

Honestly, it sounds like you need to find a niche to suit yourself. Don't think that because you hate the 9-5 that everybody does. I quite like my job, thank you. And I like the lifestyle it affords me even more.

That's what's great about the US: you can do what you wish and what makes you happy. If that particular "job" does not exist, create it! If what you create doesn't make your ends meet, then you'll need to sacrifice until it does. Every life does not revolve around 9-5. Not even mine does, though I do work for in a corporate environment. I also like to have time for my hobbies, and, though I find it tough sometimes, I make the time I need to fulfill that part of my life. And my income allows it (for the most part).
 
Well for starters, some people appreciate the thought of being a bit more well-rounded than what you're describing.


+1...same to the other point you made too

razoredge- You missed my point, as I wasn't trying to say that all people who don't do well in school fall under the category I described, just that it is rapidly growing trend. Nevertheless, what I described is nothing like what you described. Maybe you should read it again. On a side note though, your view of of only needing the minimum amount of knowledge relevant to your job is asinine (and I'm not even going to bother with the "doctors don't need algebra" thing). It would require public schools to offer each individual student a more specialized education than that of some colleges. It breeds close-mindedness, and limits people. Nevermind the fact that most kids aren't going to make a rational decision about their future when they are 14. Inevitably, kids would be forced to choose what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives from a list of approved "choices". Later when that kid decided he wanted to do something else, he'd be fucked. At least we'd produce a pretty significant number of drones though...which would be so wonderful. What I DO support, though, is a system like the one my first high school had. They offered a variety of about 30-ish different vocataional programs that you'd take alongside the rest of your classes. Som of the ones they offered were pretty retarded, but some of them (i.e. electrical contsruction, automotive engineering, etc.) were pretty good programs. We all still took our math, science, English, history, etc., but also went through one of the vocational programs at the same time. It allowed us to work on something to the point of having sufficient training to start working in that field straight out of high school, but also ensured that people who decided to go to college or go into some other field wouldn't be left without a leg to stand on. A rounded education is the most important thing the system should be providing. I certainly don't disagree that a lot of schools/teachers/parents/students have missed the point, but that doesn't alter the importance in any way. It is the responsibility of the student to sift through all he/she is given and decide what they are going to make relevant to their lives and how...but that's entirely different than only receiving a minimal amount of information in the first place.

I can only question the intellegence of those who can not understand others.

Sorry...but no. When someone without actual mental disabilties beyond just being stupid(i.e. the person I described in my post) speaks with the same grace, intelligence, and articulation as Miss Teen South Carolina (I don't feel like linking the video right now) then it's not the people they are speaking to that should be questioned. I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. I feel the same about cashiers who need the screen on the register to figure out how much change they owe me. Maybe they are lazy, maybe they were bored in school, maybe they felt like it wasn't worth their time...but regardless, who's the idiot now?
 
And why do you think everybody in this country finds that lifestyle "downright depressing"?

Honestly, it sounds like you need to find a niche to suit yourself. Don't think that because you hate the 9-5 that everybody does. I quite like my job, thank you. And I like the lifestyle it affords me even more.

That's what's great about the US: you can do what you wish and what makes you happy. If that particular "job" does not exist, create it! If what you create doesn't make your ends meet, then you'll need to sacrifice until it does. Every life does not revolve around 9-5. Not even mine does, though I do work for in a corporate environment. I also like to have time for my hobbies, and, though I find it tough sometimes, I make the time I need to fulfill that part of my life. And my income allows it (for the most part).


I don't think everybody finds it depressing. But I also think there's tons of folks who don't find it depressing because they lack adequate spare time to even step back and look at just how formulaic they've become. Others will defend the lifestyle because it's all they've ever known.


My parents(one college educated, one not) both worked extremely hard, too hard imo. That's what they were told was the right thing to do. I watched the rigors and stresses of the daily grind wear them down both physically and mentally. Finally, my dad said something to me I've always remembered: "Keep your nose to the grindstone and all you end up with is a ground off nose." He looks back on his life and sees that the pride and self worth he gained from being a slave to the grind his whole life doesn't mean shit when it's all said and done. I don't want to ever have to look back and say I sacrificed the life I've been given in favor of "getting the job done." But hey, that's just me.
 
Nevermind the fact that most kids aren't going to make a rational decision about their future when they are 14. Inevitably, kids would be forced to choose what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives from a list of approved "choices". Later when that kid decided he wanted to do something else, he'd be fucked.


Bingo. You can't just let kids off the hook because they struggle with a subject and write it off as, "who cares, i'll never use this in the real world." A kid's rationale is largely lacking in the life experience needed to make informed decisions. Letting them choose their curriculum at such a young age, a la carte, would be doing an incredible disservice to them.


Instead of realigning the curriculum to better fit the whims of the kids, how about putting more emphasis on teaching kids how to appreciate learning a wide range of knowledge.
 
I want to learn as much as possible in as many interesting areas as possible and I care about needing that stuff in "real life". "Real life" just isn't my strength, theoretical side is.

I guess I am the opposite to razoredge.
 
I use Algebra every day, multiple times. And Physics. And English grammar.

I do wish there were more slap-you-in-the-face, "real world" topics taught, such as running a household, forming budgets, strategic personal planning, and investment & money strategizing. But, the banks won't allow those topics. Ever. They will make sure our sons and daughters adopt a credit mentality as close to the womb as possible though. Mastercard Barbie is out of control.
 
Noble - thats sort of how I graduated, the last month of review Senior year, I concentrated really hard during class, many of the classes were 11th grade, I basically failed that but rather than going to summer school that summer I went to Berklee. Anyhow I went into 100% crash mode focus, focus, focus, did a bit of home work and studying. I pulled it off and everyone thought I was going to fail. All in one month, it wasnt boring, it wasnt killing me 180 days of the year when the sun and snow were calling to me outside.

Glad your doing good anyhow.

Rocky - I know what you are talking about, I used to work until dark no mater what, in the summer I got home at 9:30/10:00 (except for band nights). I worked labor day, memorial day, the 4th, I only took Thanksgiving, Christmas and Sunday mornings off. When it all went to hell I crashed like I could'nt believe, mentally, physically, I was quite a mess, I reran the whole movie... and well I was in ruff shape. Lasted for years, got to where I didnt really know who I was. I knew of this other guy but couldnt find him anywhere. Still I'm so glad for the day I got the fuck out of school and away from all that stuff I did'nt care about. HOWEVER I still maintain that the teachers could have made it seem more applicable.

Thats why I stress the point that everyone is different and there are those of us that just arent going to get into that "stuff" and stands in front of the class and drones for 45 minutes only to send us home with hours of homework... "WHAT? ... Im going out with the boys tonight". I consider myself very well rounded BTW, it just has nothing to do with books, it has to do with things I have done many will never even get close to.

Meedley - I do feel that myself and many are only interested in what they need to know, plus side interests of course or other natural curiosities. I understand your point of it being assinine due to the statis qou of the system and problematic end results when the system pull the rug out from under you. Problem is others can not understand that many find learning a bunch of strange stuff assinine. Takes all kinds and everyone that is not a slug has their merits.

I know fully well that schools cant offer the hords of specialized training. This is why I screamed as a teen for teachers to show me the relevence of learning this stuff, dont just give me the "so you can go to college" crap, show me a real life situation where this can be applied to a job or function that has its feet on the ground. Sure, biology if Im going to be a Doctor or a Vet... but guess what... NO! Chemistry if Im going to be a chemist or scientist or Doctor... but guess what... NO! I've long since forgotten where my kidneys and other obsure glands are and guess what they are working fine... so WTF did you torture me with that crap for 180 days and try to force me into hours of homework ? I dont care where my tibula is, I dont care where what sections of my brain are or what they perform... WTF, Im not going in there, they are working, hurray, now can I go do something I enjoy with them... paaaleeze. I know I soulnd like an ass but seriously this is the issue with many kids, not lazy, not assinine, but reality.

I did know what handful of things I was interested in doing when I was 14 and they all held true, problem was there was gobs of resistance... because "NO, you have to go to college". Sure I have my regrets today but I also know it woulnt have changed me one bit and money would have been wasted had I gone because I would have dropped. Im talking a serious loathing here, many are not as bad as me but still struggle with the relevence and perhaps even more so with the learning.

Im just repeating all this because I want folks to understand that there really is millions of people that are not book worms. So some ideals on education and how its taught and applied really need to be changed. Im not talking about the puffing up or lowering I hear you guys complaining about... though I will admit when I was in school the teachers taught to the book worms and the rest of us were lost to various degrees. I did feel that was BS, could have been a reason I didnt try but never thought about it before.

Once again the summer school teachers did a snap job, they taught to us, they kept us hopping and interested, without all the funny lingo, drone, and frankly nerdy nonsence.

Understanding english - cant help you there, you were there for a job interview, not to be Mum and worry about someones spelling and grammer. Perform your job and quit worrying about whos a retard. I would hope you would gain some character from the job and an insite as to the other side of the coin, but Im afraid you'll be to busy looking down your nose at "lessers" and focus on all their faults to appreaciate the fact that there is work that needs to be done and people actually do it, bad grammer and all. Theres all kinds in a work place too, no different than school and students.

Im not trying to be a prick either or insite anger, just telling you the way it is. If it was me and I had of know you were so focused on such things I would not hire. Snobbishness is not becoming. Hey, I've been there myself and have damn near chewed my tongue half off, part of the reason Im always thought of as a threat everyplace I work, because I think managment has their head up their ass 90% of the time, many of whom were "business" grads. Then many workers are inefficient or lazy from some degree to the extreme... so there you have it... fucking people, cant shoot them... have to deal with them.

Wander - yes I know, it takes all kinds, I cant do what you can and you cant do what I can... this is what makes the world "go around" as they say. :)
 
Understanding english - cant help you there, you were there for a job interview, not to be Mum and worry about someones spelling and grammer. Perform your job and quit worrying about whos a retard. I would hope you would gain some character from the job and an insite as to the other side of the coin, but Im afraid you'll be to busy looking down your nose at "lessers" and focus on all their faults to appreaciate the fact that there is work that needs to be done and people actually do it, bad grammer and all. Theres all kinds in a work place too, no different than school and students.

The problem with that is that this person has been put in a position of authority. Respect is earned, and she will never have mine. It's as simple as that. There were several other things that occurred and became apparent during that interview that I'm not even going to bring up here for the purposes of staying on point. Let me stress, again, that she was not simply impaired in her ability, but flat-out nonfunctional. To be blunt, you simply can't put someone that stupid in a position of authority. It's ridiculous. As much I hate dealing with the shit, I don't have a problem keeping it to myself and avoiding any unnecessary interaction with those people so I can collect my wages and carry on. There are reasons I'm bringing myself down to the level of this job and I can deal with it. Am I going to build character by taking a boxes off of shelves, into bigger boxes, then onto smaller shelves? Am I going to learn important life lessons? Am I going to be in any way proud to be working for those people? Highly doubtful to all of the above, but I'm getting a paycheck which is what matters at this point and I'll do what I need (probably, knowing myself, even more) to get that paycheck.

Im not trying to be a prick either or insite anger, just telling you the way it is. If it was me and I had of know you were so focused on such things I would not hire. Snobbishness is not becoming. Hey, I've been there myself and have damn near chewed my tongue half off, part of the reason Im always thought of as a threat everyplace I work, because I think managment has their head up their ass 90% of the time, many of whom were "business" grads. Then many workers are inefficient or lazy from some degree to the extreme... so there you have it... fucking people, cant shoot them... have to deal with them. :)

When someone is slapping you in the face with their own inabilities and illiteracy, it can't be ignored. Especially when that person is ironically labeled as being above you in some way. It has nothing to do with being a snob. When I meet these people in casual sitatuations I can often just let it go, professional/formal situations are a different story.

I'm not trying to exalt myself in anyway. I simply pity those who lack ambition to better themselves or neglect to at least hold themselves accountable to standard that doesn't limit their options in life. People who put in minimal effort and barely squeeze by with minimal knowledge/abilities (practical or theoretical) are just as fucked up as the system that allows them to do so.
 
I just meant the work experience builds character, regardless the work. I havent gone into warehousing... yet... might have too. For some of the reasons you have mentioned and others, theres also the physical labor part. My friend and drummer works for Golub (Price Chopper) and handles 35,000 lb a day, decent wages, not good for me at this point in life, he's having problems at 42, I've already done my tonnage years ago.

I still think you have the wrong attitude, people are just people, there are many factors that lead to certain ignorances, one of them is the school system and teachers, another is local economic conditions and subsequent culture, some areas have been bad for decades, nothing has ever been done about it.

Im just curious what this woman did that drew such focus ? Used the word aint too many times or what ? Didnt properly arrange her verbs, adverbs and adjectives... :lol: ? What was it she couldnt spell ? Is this a heavily populated minority area ? Perhaps large population that hasnt been in the country long ? These are things that bring school systems down as well. My sister was in Athens Georgia near Atlanta for a spell and they put their son in private school, she had horror stories about the behavior of the kids and the fact that they didnt speak English in the public school. I believe this is also something that contributes to the dilution of our literacy ranking. I suspect it doesnt reflect the norm but rather is diluted by these factors.

Do you also struggle with the many vernaculars as found in Britain, Ireland or Austrailia as seen on occasions in movies (cause I've never been there) or musician interviews (think OZZY or the Beatles for example) ? Ozzy is a tuff one to follow at times... :lol: How about much of the phrasing and termonology many of the early 1900's generation of Americans used ? You may not have been exposed to as much of that as I was. How about some of the southern dialect ? Applachia ? Does all that just make you cringe too ?
 
Am I going to build character by taking a boxes off of shelves, into bigger boxes, then onto smaller shelves? Am I going to learn important life lessons? Am I going to be in any way proud to be working for those people? Highly doubtful to all of the above, but I'm getting a paycheck which is what matters at this point and I'll do what I need (probably, knowing myself, even more) to get that paycheck.
Man, that's actually what's going through my head as I contemplate going to work tonight. :lol:

Razoredge - Were you molested by a nerd or something? That's some serious animosity, there.
 
I use Algebra every day, multiple times. And Physics. And English grammar.

I do wish there were more slap-you-in-the-face, "real world" topics taught, such as running a household, forming budgets, strategic personal planning, and investment & money strategizing. But, the banks won't allow those topics. Ever. They will make sure our sons and daughters adopt a credit mentality as close to the womb as possible though. Mastercard Barbie is out of control.
It's a pity really. People need to learn those things. People need to be educated or educate themselves so that we can get out of this hole we've dug for ourselves.
 
Razoredge - Were you molested by a nerd or something? That's some serious animosity, there.

Oh god I lol'd.

I think it's a cop out to say that only hoity toity doctors and engineers use higher math. People use basic algebra on a daily basis and they don't even think about it. Calculating discounts on merchandise, converting units of measure to see which package of (insert foodstuff here) is a better value, square footage, etc. Formulas for area are derived via calculus.

ABQ said:
I do wish there were more slap-you-in-the-face, "real world" topics taught, such as running a household, forming budgets, strategic personal planning, and investment & money strategizing.

At the middle school my sister went to, she took a class called Home and Careers that taught a lot of that stuff. We both knew it was valuable information. I totally tried to read her textbooks but at the time, a lot of it was over my head.
 
I think this is perfectly appropriate for this thread.

Apparently there's a chick at work who found out 2 weeks ago (literally, from this day about 2 weeks ago) that she was pregnant. I guess yesterday she gave birth. How do you not know???
 
I think this is perfectly appropriate for this thread.

Apparently there's a chick at work who found out 2 weeks ago (literally, from this day about 2 weeks ago) that she was pregnant. I guess yesterday she gave birth. How do you not know???


Well, for starters you weigh 400+ pounds to begin with. At that point, what's another hundo? And yeah, she probably didn't have perfect attendance in school either.
 
Wow...:ill: How the hell would she not realize she was pregnant?

"Oh... That must be the curry chicken I ate 6 months ago pressing up against my insides and kicking me..."

Sounds like it's time for a job change! :erk: