Virginia shooting

Well Jeff, obviously you feel you live in a rough neighborhood, because I have no reason to fear my neighbor or anyone else.

Maybe gun control isn't the answer, and maybe it isn't directly related, but since the topic came up, I decided to give my two cents on the subject. Why is it that you Americans get so riled up on such a subject? Banning guns is just one answer to a few problems with the American culture.

I don't think that just because I own a gun, I'm going to feel 100% safe. It doesn't work like that. You are only as safe as you make things out to be. If you were to not get so scared of everything, think everyone is out to get you, then maybe you wouldn't need a reason to own a gun either. I fear no one, except a person with a hand gun. Concealed especially. But the chance of some random person coming into my house with a weapon is so slim, that if it were to happen, even if I had a hand gun myself, chances are I'd be dead before reaching it.

There's a better chance of someone I know, whether it be a family member or a colleague, to come into my house uninvited, and here, in Canada, the chances of them wielding a gun is very slim.

So to answer your insult:
JBroll said:
Anvil, if you can seriously come down here and tell me there's no point in having a gun because you feel that fucking safe when four dozen people a day are killed by someone else, you either have the mind of a two-year-old or the balls of a grizzly bear on crystal meth.
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I'm a 20 year old with an appartment and no hand gun. With no reason to fear my neighbors. "Scary people" don't bother me either, unless they give me a reason to. I won't jump to a conclusion like some people, "Oh, he's got a creepy look to him, and he's walking around all shady, he must want to kill me."

Now you guys need to realize, I'm not heated about this, and I'm taking this as a discussion, not a heated debate. But some of you obviously take it personally. So be it. I'm not going to continue discussing this topic if people like you, JBroll, are going to go about insulting me. Debate my opinion, pick it apart, whatever, but please do not insult me.
 
Anvil said:
Well Jeff, obviously you feel you live in a rough neighborhood, because I have no reason to fear my neighbor or anyone else.

Maybe gun control isn't the answer, and maybe it isn't directly related, but since the topic came up, I decided to give my two cents on the subject. Why is it that you Americans get so riled up on such a subject? Banning guns is just one answer to a few problems with the American culture.

I don't think that just because I own a gun, I'm going to feel 100% safe. It doesn't work like that. You are only as safe as you make things out to be. If you were to not get so scared of everything, think everyone is out to get you, then maybe you wouldn't need a reason to own a gun either. I fear no one, except a person with a hand gun. Concealed especially. But the chance of some random person coming into my house with a weapon is so slim, that if it were to happen, even if I had a hand gun myself, chances are I'd be dead before reaching it.

There's a better chance of someone I know, whether it be a family member or a colleague, to come into my house uninvited, and here, in Canada, the chances of them wielding a gun is very slim.

So to answer your insult:

I'm a 20 year old with an appartment and no hand gun. With no reason to fear my neighbors. "Scary people" don't bother me either, unless they give me a reason to. I won't jump to a conclusion like some people, "Oh, he's got a creepy look to him, and he's walking around all shady, he must want to kill me."

Now you guys need to realize, I'm not heated about this, and I'm taking this as a discussion, not a heated debate. But some of you obviously take it personally. So be it. I'm not going to continue discussing this topic if people like you, JBroll, are going to go about insulting me. Debate my opinion, pick it apart, whatever, but please do not insult me.
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I'm not heated, I just swear a lot and have to deal with this shit on a daily basis. Your suggestions have been tried and they didn't work, but people still go around with the mindset that 'oh, they don't work, so we need... MORE!' and since I'd actually be facing the consequences of a gun ban I get to be a little more annoyed at people who don't know the system or the country but love to throw their two cents in - whether you're from here or there, liberal or conservative or in between, if you don't know how things work (as you indicated earlier) then you should figure the rules out before commenting on them.

I don't live in a rough neighborhood - I live in the rich part of town with relatively low crime. You just have to keep in mind that I'm in fucking Texas - everyone is strange and heavily armed, and you'd have to be nuts not to want to be loaded to the teeth while surrounded by Texans. Good and bad neighborhoods don't make crime victims any less murdered, and people around here who commit crimes aren't going to be fazed at all by firearm bans, so that suggestion doesn't help.

The reason I get annoyed is that banning guns will only make the problems worse for those who it would benefit - it's clearly an invalid answer that has failed and that will fail, and knee-jerk reactions from the left or the right are not going to help any more now than they did before.

The reason I feel safer when armed is that I know I won't be helpless if something happens - the vast majority of armed citizens do no harm, and so many prevent crime that it's illogical to place any blame on guns. Exclusivity is more of a threat with guns because the few who have them wield more power - you don't see people threatening each other with cars or shoes because everyone has them and anyone who wants to pick a fight with those has no clear advantage. I don't like crazy people having guns any more than you, but does that mean a fucking government is going to be able to fix the problem? No - the solution I prefer is the one that reduces the power gained by someone with a gun.

The key part of that phrase was 'come down here' - you're not having to deal with the results of this shit, and being in a much more peaceful place you don't have to deal with it as much, so judging from your current position won't add anything. The suggestion was to come spend a day in San Antonio or Houston - go shopping, jam, sit in on some classes, whatever - and tell me that you feel as safe down here as you do up there. A fair amount of time on a San Antonio street will see you cut off, flipped off, possibly almost rammed into, screamed at, and likely threatened (as in someone comes out of the car with a bat, wrench, gun, something of the sort, and screams) if someone cuts in front of you and you honk because you don't think they realize you're there. If you'd rather be at the mercy of these people with no defense of your own, then fine - that was the point I was trying to make, not 'fuck you because you don't have a gun'.

As I said before, guns aren't the problem - crazy fuckers are the problem. Banning guns will only give more power to the crazy fuckers who keep them. That suggestion is just a bullshit cure-all that the left will not give up on, and it's about time people let pet theories die when they obviously fail as much as gun control has.

You still haven't answered the bulk of what I said earlier, so if you do in fact want a debate drop the persecution complex, read more carefully, and we might get somewhere.

Jeff
 
Anvil said:
I don't understand why people are so infatuated with handguns? They're completely useless in any situation besides use in law enforcement.
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Sorry to pull a statement out of context, but I actually thought this, myself, for years, so I wanted to bring something up. I asked my dad, an old guy, what possible use a handgun could have besides shooting people. Oddly, enough, he had an answer -- rattlesnakes. Apparently, if you're a rancher in an area like Spokane, you don't always have enough time to get out a rifle and shoot a snake before it gets an unwary animal, or even you and your unwary animal. A horse steps sideways a little, disturbs a rock, and it turns out to be someone's home. Snakes don't have higher reasoning skills, and sometimes shooting is the right answer, and you need to be fast. Rifles are ungainly in such situations. Now, in all fairness, he hasn't been on a ranch in Spokane in my lifetime, so I don't know if it's still a valid need or not. I do know there are plenty of rural areas left in the US.

Also, someone else a couple pages back asked how you kill so many people at once without a gun. The answer, of course, is a bomb. "Oh," you're thinking, "but you can't legally buy one of those." Can't you? Ever been to Boom City? What do you think an M-80 is? OK, it's small -- get more. Put something with it. It's still dynamite.

Perhaps it wasn't all at once, but what about people like Ted Bundy or Gary Ridgeway? They had plenty of opportunity to kill, without the use of handguns, and they had many victims. If you put your mind to it, you can find a way to kill as many people as you want. The key, then, is to stop so many people from putting their minds to it.
 
has anyone mentioned the chris rock skit? expensive bullets?

you want to own a gun, then own it.
want to shoot it, hit the shooting range. they exist, y'know?

(sorry, i'm not reading fifteen essays)
 
retarded penguin said:
has anyone mentioned the chris rock skit? expensive bullets?

you want to own a gun, then own it.
want to shoot it, hit the shooting range. they exist, y'know?

(sorry, i'm not reading fifteen essays)
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What, you don't want to discuss important and controversial sociopolitical issues with the genius philosophers of the Nevermore board?
 
as far as home protection goes, i follow the gun laws, ammo is locked seperately from the guns. So if someone broke into my house i would need to go to my safe, put in the combination, open it up, take out my gun case, open it, extract my mag, then go to my other safe, get my keys, open that safe, take out a couple of bullets, load my mag, then load the gun.

At my fastest time thats probably still 2 minutes, its pointless to use my gun for "home defense"
 
Anyways, back to the original point of the thread, anyone see the segment where Jack Thompson decided to come onto Fox News yesterday a couple hours after the shooting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weG7A4lTGtg

"First thing the police are going to do is check his computer. Chances are he trained for this kind of thing using video games."
 
Anvil said:
Anyways, back to the original point of the thread, anyone see the segment where Jack Thompson decided to come onto Fox News yesterday a couple hours after the shooting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weG7A4lTGtg

"First thing the police are going to do is check his computer. Chances are he trained for this kind of thing using video games."
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Like I posted earlier, it's sad and disgusting the lengths he goes just to try and just push his agenda further.
 
for those who were saying its all cuz the US allows guns doesnt mean they were obtained legally, i forgot what it was, but for most of murders they were obtained illegally, it was a shocking percentage...

anyway if everyone did have guns, he could probably have killed like 4 people before he was dropped, i think concealed firearms should be allowed, the crimerate would most likely go down, dont flame me on this one though, its just my opinion

its stupid how almost every couple days you hear about a new school shooting
 
One kid per week is sent home in the US from school for possession of a firearm.

Source:50 Facts

The entire issue is a quandary that nobody is even trying to rationally think out, as I've already mentioned - every bastard is going native and nothing will ever be achieved.
 
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