War Metal / Battle Metal / NSBM

[J.]

I can't be bothered with quoting 2-3 people so I'll respond to all of them in one reply

First of all, great buy with that Graveland, JayK. One of my faves along with 'Following the Voice of Blood'.

Now to responses concerning the KKK and the whole there-are-no-true-Americans argument. I say BS. Ancestry or not, if you were born in America, you're a goddamn American, whether your ancestry is German, Jewish, or fucking Antarctican.

I really don't care where my ancestors are from (for the curious, I believe they were English and German), 'cause I'm fucking red-blooded American. I've never even been to Europe, so I officially cut all ties to that continent (and if I find out I'm partially French, I'm shooting myself in the face).

Now the KKK, I really don't know much about. I know it started as a white supremacists group responsible for heinous crimes. They'd like to think they're still "tough", but they are just ridiculous fools today (not that they weren't back then). The thing is, they weren't thinking about ancestry while killing blacks or "my pals-lovers". They were thinking in terms of black and white. They weren't fighting
to annihilate a race. The KKK didn't come into existence until after The Civil War, if I'm not mistaken. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The KKK just wanted their slaves back, as they didn't want to kill off all blacks, they just didn't want blacks to have the same rights and be free. Hitler wanted total genocide of the Jews. Equating the two is a misnomer.

I don't know, PapaJosh can attest to many of the racist asses down in Texas. And hell, I'll admit to being racist sometimes, but my "racism" stems from a white (not European) pride, not hatred of blacks (or Mexicans, etc.). I don't like seeing my people get the short end of the stick simply because it's accepted to criticize whites, but not minorities or any other instance where double standards exist.

I'm kind of of the view of Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York. He is just a man proud of being a "native" American, and hates to see his people "hurt".



PS - I would never turn my pride into violence, unless me or mine are in danger.

 

[JayKeeley]

First of all, great buy with that Graveland, JayK. One of my faves along with 'Following the Voice of Blood'.

Yeah I'm intrigued to say the least!

Now to responses concerning the KKK and the whole there-are-no-true-Americans argument. I say BS. Ancestry or not, if you were born in America, you're a goddamn American, whether your ancestry is German, Jewish, or fucking Antarctican.

Yeah but what about a non-white born American? That's the point - the concept of white pride negates all that are non-white. It's pretty daft (and simple) really. The KKK and neo-nazis aren't just going after new immigrants from Africa or wherever - they're going after anyone who isn't white - born in the US or not!!!! The concept is so retarded that we're making way too much of a big deal out of it and complicating something that isn't too complex. It's essentially just white vs non-white at the end of the day.

Don't get me wrong, there is obviously nothing wrong with having pride in being American. Through birth, my wife and daughter are American in that respect.

I guess what I'm questioning is the credibility to being a "white" American. Since everything is relative, I don't understand where people draw the line on being proud to be white. (I'm not referring to "white pride" since that term is now synonymous with neo-naziism unfortunately). The same with blacks - it might be easy to claim African heritage, but with all the mixing, an African American cannot claim to be pure Ethiopian, Algerian, or Nigerian etc etc.

I guess I'm asking if it's possible for one white person to be more 'white' than another when nobody is truly pure as such. That is what NS or Naziism is all about. Defenders of the aryan race blah blah.

I really don't care where my ancestors are from (for the curious, I believe they were English and German), 'cause I'm fucking red-blooded American. I've never even been to Europe, so I officially cut all ties to that continent (and if I find out I'm partially French, I'm shooting myself in the face).

It's unfortunate that Americans don't travel as much as the rest of the world. You can avoid France, as do most non-French and still see Europe. It's a beautiful, beautiful continent in more ways than one.

But truth be known, it's difficult for anyone to claim America as his/her own, since it only belittles the plight of the true native American who was here first. Same with Aussies and their claim over Aboriginal lands....just can't be done. There has to be a starting point somewhere and history will never just dismiss the destruction of the true natives from any region.

The KKK just wanted their slaves back, as they didn't want to kill off all blacks, they just didn't want blacks to have the same rights and be free. Hitler wanted total genocide of the Jews. Equating the two is a misnomer.

Well, America is built upon genocide is it not? Millions upon millions of murdered native Americans Indians. Whatever the initial intentions of the KKK were, today they are perceived as being arm-in-arm with swastika wearing neo-nazis. All that are screaming for "white pride" these days are joining together for their impending race war.

I don't know, PapaJosh can attest to many of the racist asses down in Texas. And hell, I'll admit to being racist sometimes, but my "racism" stems from a white (not European) pride, not hatred of blacks (or Mexicans, etc.). I don't like seeing my people get the short end of the stick simply because it's accepted to criticize whites, but not minorities or any other instance where double standards exist.

Perhaps it would be easier if everyone were just proud to be human, and get on with life. :Spin:

 

[Ayeka]

The definition of "aryan" is so confused - Hitler stole it because of the literal translation ('noble'). Or perhaps the British fucked with the term in India. Either way, to me, an "aryan" is one from Persian descent. And yes, pure Persians happen to have blonde hair, blue eyes, and a nice tan....aha!

Quite true. Apparently the Aryan race migrated from India, across Persia and into Europe. That's been backed by the World Church Of The Creator and...my history teacher though my history teacher also told us that all the Persian women are blonde and lovely because whenever the Crusades came through town they'd all get raped and have European/Persian kids :Spin:

I don't like seeing my people get the short end of the stick simply because it's accepted to criticize whites, but not minorities or any other instance where double standards exist.

Bravo! It's all very honourable being proud to be human and getting on with life (a very noble idea), but you can't deny this anti-white racism disguised as 'equality' happens. And my blood boils every time I read in the newspaper about another Jew/Israeli taking swipes at the British for this that and the other eg the classic "you didn't do enough to stop the Holocaust" when they seem to forget at one point we were the only country left standing off against Nazi Germany....kinda got a few other things on our plate, y'know

 

[JayKeeley]

Bravo! It's all very honourable being proud to be human and getting on with life (a very noble idea)

Gotta break down the barriers and put down the guns. We've already evolved past religious barriers by denouncing man-made religion, now we just need to remove corrupt governments and learn to see past skin colour.

 

[Ayeka]

so true!

 

[JayKeeley]

All we are saying, is give peace a chance...

...altogether now!

John Lennon RIP.

 

[J.]

Yeah but what about a non-white born American? That's the point - the concept of white pride negates all that are non-white. It's pretty daft (and simple) really. The KKK and neo-nazis aren't just going after new immigrants from Africa or wherever - they're going after anyone who isn't white - born in the US or not!!!! The concept is so retarded that we're making way too much of a big deal out of it and complicating something that isn't too complex. It's essentially just white vs non-white at the end of the day.

Non-white born American= red blooded American. It's really that simple. Where it gets twisted is in the pride of heritage. Blacks are proud of their African heritage, and many turn to Islam. Arabs are extremely proud of their ancestry. Same with Asians and Latinos. However, is the white American proud of his European heritage? No. Of course, he doesn't hate it or despise it, he simply ignores it. He sees himself as an American and nothing more. DOn't ask me why it's like that. It just is.

The KKK and neo-nazis are fucking morons.

 

[lizard]

I am damn proud of being a white American who can trace his family back in Massachusetts to 1634, when the first Burre landed. In fact I can further trace my family back to the 1300s in England thru church records.

does that make me special? no. in fact I had always been raised to think I was the prototype WASP but when my cousin completed her research on our family, after several trips to England, it was fairly obvious that we were actually not anglo saxons but rather part of the Norman invasion, which replaced the anglo saxon ruling class. the Normans were descended from "Northmen" invaders, i.e., vikings. so it is fairly reasonable to assume I am some mixture (on my father's side) of scandinavian and (and this took some getting used to) French.

all this and $1 will get me a cup of coffee.

the other side of the family is a mutt mixture of Irish and German potato farmers.

and my wife is irish, black, and native american.

we are the all american family.

fuck the KKK. fuck the "nazis" who have no clue. I spent years in Germany, hiking about Berchestgarden with my dad, looking up historical nazi sites. I have been to Nuremburg, where the candlelight rallies took place. The nazis were all about some mysticism, establishing some sort of primal unity, where the volk/people were the state, a collective working for the greater good, hence the 'socialism". With one fuhrer at the head of the spear, namely, Adolph.

 

[haddsie]

However, is the white American proud of his European heritage? No. Of course, he doesn't hate it or despise it, he simply ignores it. He sees himself as an American and nothing more. DOn't ask me why it's like that. It just is.

Maybe this differs in different parts of the country, but where I grew up in Massachusetts, people are almost obsessively proud of their Irish heritage. The streets in my hometown have huge shamrocks painted in them year round to show the St. Patrick's Day parade route. And when I was growing up, if you weren't Irish, esp. on St. Patty's Day, you were basically shunned in school. When I later moved to the Philly area, all of the sudden everyone was Italian, and damned proud of that. Of course there are pockets of high Italian-Amer. population all over the place. In Chicago, there's such a huge Polish-Amer. population you get the Polish pride. There are a ton examples that I can think of: the Portuguese-heavy town my parents used to go to specifically for a certain type of sausage, big Ukrainian pocket in Philadelphia, my friend's hometown in Minnesota where they had a huge annual Swedish festival thingy.

I see pride in European heritage all over the place. My parents even made sure that my brother and I would not forget our European heritage by giving us Scottish first names (father is 1/2 Scottish-Amer.) and Irish middle names (mother is 1/2 Irish-Amer.). Dreamlord, I don't remember where you live, but do you not see this kind of European pride where you are?

 

[J.]

I see pride in European heritage all over the place. My parents even made sure that my brother and I would not forget our European heritage by giving us Scottish first names (father is 1/2 Scottish-Amer.) and Irish middle names (mother is 1/2 Irish-Amer.). Dreamlord, I don't remember where you live, but do you not see this kind of European pride where you are?

Not at all. I live in Houston (or various suburbs surrounding Houston), and I rarely, if ever, see a white person proudly displaying pride in their European heritage. Maybe I'm just missing it, but there aren't really many, if any, festivals celebrating European heritage. Maybe PapaJosh can fill in the blanks.

As far as my European heritage goes, I really don't care. These people lived hundreds of years ago. I didn't know them. I've never been to Europe. I've lived here all my life. I'm full-blooded American and nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Ayeka]

As far as my European heritage goes, I really don't care. These people lived hundreds of years ago. I didn't know them. I've never been to Europe. I've lived here all my life. I'm full-blooded American and nothing more, nothing less.

Easy tiger! I know we got problems here but we ain't dead yet!

 

[NAD]

I think the farther away from the east coast you get in the US the less European pride there is. I'm going with Dreamlord on this one, been in California my entire life and never see Euro-pride, but every minority race imaginable has parades, or stores, or festivals or what have you. My Filipino girlfriend is as big of a red-blooded American that I am, but still highly identifies with "her people." Funny thing is she seems more against the reverse racial treatment of whites than I am (and I am so god damn white, not all surfer boys in Cali ). Granted, this country has quite a spotted past concerning racism, but since when did punishing one allegedly privileged group make up for oppressing another in the past? Why not just set things equal and let bygones be bygones? Ah yes, can't do that, that would make too much sense.

As far as that ZOG thing goes, the conspiracy theorist side of me (which makes up around 25% of my political persona) thinks it is true. Anyone ever think it is funny that Israel is the only country to EVER receive UNCONDITIONAL funding from the US, on an annual basis no less?

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

If any of you want to here a soundclip from wood temple the bottom song on my download section is from their latest CD.

Downloads

 

[JayKeeley]

If any of you want to here a soundclip from wood temple...

From my recent haul, I've listened to both Kristallnacht and Woodtemple. Although both good (with Kristallnacht being a collection of raw songs), it is Woodtemple that makes me stand up and take notice. That mid-paced epic feel - ambient yet cold....

 

[Ayeka]

As far as that ZOG thing goes, the conspiracy theorist side of me (which makes up around 25% of my political persona) thinks it is true. Anyone ever think it is funny that Israel is the only country to EVER receive UNCONDITIONAL funding from the US, on an annual basis no less?

Oooooh, christalive...don't say that too loud or I'll start getting all nasty I went quite livid when I read that Ariel Sharon cannot be tried for war crimes also. These biases and injustices piss me off no end. The fact that most people are quite apathetic towards it pisses me off even more. The fact that there are people out there supporting this, who are not even tied to Israel or the Jewish people, makes me go absolutely fucking ballistic.

 

[J.]

Anyone who actually believes that the Palestinian people will/would stop ALL suicide bombings and terrorist attacks when they get their own State is fooling themselves and, quite possibly, has the IQ of a french fry.

 

[JayKeeley]

Anyone who actually believes that the Palestinian people will/would stop ALL suicide bombings and terrorist attacks when they get their own State is fooling themselves and, quite possibly, has the IQ of a french fry.

Well, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

I don't care to be as speculative as you as to how Palestinians would act if they were to be given their own State (since neither of us live in either Israel or Palestine), but I know one thing that I will take to my grave: Palestine DO deserve their own state & government. They were there first - it's their homeland.

The whole affair is sad because it's corrupted by politics.

 

[J.]

I do agree. The Palestinian people should be given there own state.

However, what's to say that once they get that State, they will just be content to stay there? It comes back to the ol' saying "Give 'em an inch, they want a yard." I fear that's what will happen.

As far as the whole "we were there first" argument. THis just doesn't hold up anymore. Seriously, by this argument, all people today don't belong where they currently reside because some ancient people might have dwelled there. Aborigines, American Indians, Africans, Palestinians, etc, etc. The Romans once conquered almost all of Europe. Does this mean they are still entitled to lay claim to it? Same with Mongolia? Same with Germany?

Israel has had that land since 1946 (give or take some years, although I believe that is when they became their own State). It's their's. Like it or not. Although, I do not support the expansion of their villages or whatever.

 

[NAD]

Israel was given their own state in 1947 by the United States. The only reason the state of Israel exists is because of the US, without our incessent backing they would be blown to smithereens by damn near every Arab country. Israel has made an enemy out of all them, many times being the little spoiled brat stepchild of the US, attacking countries here and there without fear of retaliation. Ariel Sharon is a butcher, plain and simple. Him and Saddam could trade torture tactics, but you won't hear much about that stateside unless you dig for it.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/1947.htm


Whether or not Palestinians deserve a state of their own is up to them and their constant struggle for it. If there were tanks and other military personnel storming through my town carrying out "police manuevers" by blasting buildings to the ground searching for "the real killers" (just like O.J. Simpson), I would be throwing stones too.

 

[NAD]

http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

Interesting website, covers from the Palestinian perspective.