Watershed: Are you disapointed with it?

I ain't a troll, I am just adding to the thread. You guys take Opeth and yourselves way too seriously. You're like a bunch of fanatical priests working for a church, a group of stalkers defending your favorite band, or the types of maniacs that would salute presidents/tyrants in blind allegiance. Seriously, are you guys members of the band? Are you all simple enough in mentality to be so easily hurt by a bunch of words or even worse "offended" cause some truth kicked your nuts? Damn, you guys are almost like the freak in NY that recently beat the hell out of some guy with a baseball bat cause he likes the Redsox. Even worse is the troll allegation; so if i don't croon and love on the boys in Opeth I am suddenly gonna get banned cause alternative opinions are not accepted in this regime. Fuck, that sounds like Nazism or constitutional infringement via the Patriot Act by George W. Bush on the Opeth forum.

And that ain't even my review. I forgot to mention i saw it on Metal-Archives. I just put it on here to further the thread with debate.

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I'm calling you a troll because it's what you are. Just look at your nickname, that's trollish. I don't care if you don't like Watershed, I couldn't care less, everyone's entitled to have their own opinion, but if you want to complain about an album, do it constructively, telling others an album is shit isn't constructive.

And we are not tyrants or nazis, if it hurts you that much to be called a troll, maybe you're the one who can't take serious and meaningful criticism...
 
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I'm calling you a troll because it's what you are. Just look at your nickname, that's trollish. I don't care if you don't like Watershed, I couldn't care less, everyone's entitled to have their own opinion, but if you want to complain about an album, do it constructively, telling others an album is shit isn't constructive.

And we are not tyrants or nazis, if it hurts you that much to be called a troll, maybe you're the one who can't take serious and meaningful criticism...

Just a little FYI - as admin of the site I checked out your posts as well due to your nickname being troll-ish.

Opinions are no prob on this site whatsoever. Just keep the conversations civil.

Another FYI - I play, been in bands, listening to Metal over 20 years now, and Watershed is my top of 2008 so far. Few bands can interweave the melodies and bring together parts into a complete song like Opeth have (has) achieved. It really comes down to personal preference on if you can appreciate it or not. Personally, I think the new one is flat out amazing. AND, Ghost Opera was my #2 album last year (behind Circus Maximus' Isolate).
 
Really, dude? We don't like your post, therefor Nazism? Any time some punk on a board gives a controversial opinion, then is refuted, it's a goddamned fascist regime - and it's making me wary that amateurs on the Internet are desensitizing those around them to concepts of true hate, true oppression, such that you won't even recognize it when it bites you on the ass (or invades your home without a warrant).

My personal sentiments aside, you are, by definition, a troll if you come onto a website with an intensely controversial opinion and state it objectively and rudely, attacking the board users with unprecedented rancor, and invite attention and pointless responses (like this one). It doesn't help your case that your name is Blowpeth (though I think we've got to give you a little credit for that one).

No, our appreciation of the band that leads us to insult you verbally across many miles of wire does not make us like the guy who assaulted the Red Sox fan with a baseball bat. You see, no one here would assault you with a guitar. What's more, I don't think we're capable of being so beautifully ironic - baseball fan gets attacked with the tool of his own pleasure. You've got the fans all wrong, too. We don't take the band that seriously. We like the music, I mean, we like it a TON. But I refer you to the Photoshopeth thread - and if you still think we take them seriously after even two pages of that, there's not much anyone can do to broaden your point of view. Well.

I can see you don't like the band, and that's fine, but REALLY man? "The resources used to make this album could've surely been used for something more helpful, like...something for helping homeless children." Of all the groups to attack for that, Opeth? They're only just now starting to become a more accessible band. Why not Avril Lavrigne or Britney Spears or something that we all agree is crap? You're unwilling to concede even the slightest credit to a band that has defined a sound and a synthesis of genres, with technical and aesthetic (though subjective) success - in fact, half of the first paragraph of your rant showcases the focus of the near-unanimous praise the band has been receiving for this album. Now, last possibility. Let's say Opeth actually suck really, really hard, and we're all wrong and you're right. Why'd you ruin it for us, ya asshole?

Alright, great, I fed the troll. But it is in the case the offhand chance that you're really serious, that bringing down five hairy awesome Swedes in the eyes a small fraction of their fans is your #1 priority, that I reply.

Illidan, are you the pseudo intellect of the forum? Why the are you referring to me as “dude.” Are you in the fifth grade or have you seen too many beer commercials? What defines a forum amateur; is it someone with 5 posts or is it someone with under 100? Are you a forum master cause you have almost 800 or are you some loser spouting too much empty rubbish and nonsensical crap to other one sentence typing forum rubes? Furthermore, who the fuck would want to be a forum expert or master? Its not like typing these lines is some sort of skill, you fake forum elitist fool. As for Nazism, I was drawing a comparison. I notice that you singled that one out, but not the one on Bush and the Patriot Act or Catholicism cause it favors your moron tirade while ratifying you as a pathetic forum elitist.

Regarding the 2nd paragraph, of course they are “your personal sentiments;” do you really have to show us what a buffoon you are by adding the redundant solipsistic adjective “personal” to that sentence when the pronoun “your” is already a sufficient possessive? As for the rest of that sentence, it is utterly pretentious of you to write: “if you come onto a website with an intensely controversial opinion and state it objectively and rudely, attacking the board users with unprecedented rancor, and invite attention and pointless responses (like this one). It doesn't help your case that your name is Blowpeth (though I think we've got to give you a little credit for that one).” Do you know me? How would you know what tone I am writing in unless it is based on your biased interpretation. You mention stating an opinion “objectively”, but that is stupid for the fact that objectivity is a philosophical impossibility because any time you compare something whether its cars, hotdogs, or Opeth you are leaning on experiences from the past for a comparison (http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm). I wasn’t rude, unless expressing an opinion hurts your little feelings, which it does, obviously. How was I “attacking the board users.” By definition attack (Go to dictionary.com) means- “to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.” How does what I wrote consist of “unprecedented rancor?” Can you give me several examples of “unprecedented rancor” to draw a compare and contrast? Additionally, “rancor” implies that I have some sort of malice for you all forum fools, but I am only having fun writing. Too bad your own insecure hateful minds are incapable of realizing that as the case. Heh, you all couldn’t laugh at yourselves if the reward was a million dollars for each person.

Then you go on another foolish rant about the baseball bat and guitar contrast. No, you guys are the types of fanatics that would bash someone with a guitar. My proof is all the unadulterated “I love Opeth” threads and responses on this site. Most hilarious about your sanctimonious statement is your attempt at wry irony with an undercurrent of phallic loving homosexuality by writing “I don't think we're capable of being so beautifully ironic - baseball fan gets attacked with the tool of his own pleasure.” In other words, you dig pugilism and hard wooden objects, but I am going to throw you a bone in half that regard for the fact that I despise anthropocentric cunts.

As for Britney and Avril, c’mon is there really a difference between their crass commercialism and that of Opeth who has bent their sound and style to fit the modern conventions of pop-rock with ‘Watershed?’ In addition, as I stated at the bottom of my last reply, I took that review off Metal-Archives, but made the mistake of forgetting to inform the board. Obviously, you didn’t read what I wrote since you associate me with being the writer, you idiot. And yeah, Opeth does suck, but calling me an asshole ain’t gonna fix the band or your poor taste. Furthermore, “asshole” by Linguistic and English morphemes is not a swear word unlike shit, which is what you have for brains.

Finally, Opeth have defined nothing with their music, and they are not an aesthetic art despite all their melodrama. But they have bent, stolen, and shaped the music of bands like Caravan and King Crimson enough to sound genuine to 13 to 25 year olds that never listened to the music of their parents enough to know they are getting shammed by Blowpeth.

And so fuckin' what if I call them Blowpeth, to me it ain't any different that calling Roger Clemens "Juice" or Bush a "buffoon." Again, you guys take this band and yourselves way too-fucking-seriously. Anyhow, they are already on the downward spiral just like Metallica.
 
Bottom line is that no one cares what this guy says, and he doesn't care what anyone else says. The sooner everyone comes to terms with that the sooner the debate with no real answer will end.
 
Illidan, are you the pseudo intellect of the forum? Why the are you referring to me as “dude.” Are you in the fifth grade or have you seen too many beer commercials? What defines a forum amateur; is it someone with 5 posts or is it someone with under 100? Are you a forum master cause you have almost 800 or are you some loser spouting too much empty rubbish and nonsensical crap to other one sentence typing forum rubes? Furthermore, who the fuck would want to be a forum expert or master? Its not like typing these lines is some sort of skill, you fake forum elitist fool. As for Nazism, I was drawing a comparison. I notice that you singled that one out, but not the one on Bush and the Patriot Act or Catholicism cause it favors your moron tirade while ratifying you as a pathetic forum elitist.

Regarding the 2nd paragraph, of course they are “your personal sentiments;” do you really have to show us what a buffoon you are by adding the redundant solipsistic adjective “personal” to that sentence when the pronoun “your” is already a sufficient possessive? As for the rest of that sentence, it is utterly pretentious of you to write: “if you come onto a website with an intensely controversial opinion and state it objectively and rudely, attacking the board users with unprecedented rancor, and invite attention and pointless responses (like this one). It doesn't help your case that your name is Blowpeth (though I think we've got to give you a little credit for that one).” Do you know me? How would you know what tone I am writing in unless it is based on your biased interpretation. You mention stating an opinion “objectively”, but that is stupid for the fact that objectivity is a philosophical impossibility because any time you compare something whether its cars, hotdogs, or Opeth you are leaning on experiences from the past for a comparison (http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm). I wasn’t rude, unless expressing an opinion hurts your little feelings, which it does, obviously. How was I “attacking the board users.” By definition attack (Go to dictionary.com) means- “to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.” How does what I wrote consist of “unprecedented rancor?” Can you give me several examples of “unprecedented rancor” to draw a compare and contrast? Additionally, “rancor” implies that I have some sort of malice for you all forum fools, but I am only having fun writing. Too bad your own insecure hateful minds are incapable of realizing that as the case. Heh, you all couldn’t laugh at yourselves if the reward was a million dollars for each person.

Then you go on another foolish rant about the baseball bat and guitar contrast. No, you guys are the types of fanatics that would bash someone with a guitar. My proof is all the unadulterated “I love Opeth” threads and responses on this site. Most hilarious about your sanctimonious statement is your attempt at wry irony with an undercurrent of phallic loving homosexuality by writing “I don't think we're capable of being so beautifully ironic - baseball fan gets attacked with the tool of his own pleasure.” In other words, you dig pugilism and hard wooden objects, but I am going to throw you a bone in half that regard for the fact that I despise anthropocentric cunts.

As for Britney and Avril, c’mon is there really a difference between their crass commercialism and that of Opeth who has bent their sound and style to fit the modern conventions of pop-rock with ‘Watershed?’ In addition, as I stated at the bottom of my last reply, I took that review off Metal-Archives, but made the mistake of forgetting to inform the board. Obviously, you didn’t read what I wrote since you associate me with being the writer, you idiot. And yeah, Opeth does suck, but calling me an asshole ain’t gonna fix the band or your poor taste. Furthermore, “asshole” by Linguistic and English morphemes is not a swear word unlike shit, which is what you have for brains.

Finally, Opeth have defined nothing with their music, and they are not an aesthetic art despite all their melodrama. But they have bent, stolen, and shaped the music of bands like Caravan and King Crimson enough to sound genuine to 13 to 25 year olds that never listened to the music of their parents enough to know they are getting shammed by Blowpeth.

And so fuckin' what if I call them Blowpeth, to me it ain't any different that calling Roger Clemens "Juice" or Bush a "buffoon." Again, you guys take this band and yourselves way too-fucking-seriously. Anyhow, they are already on the downward spiral just like Metallica.

Wow. Again. Really, it's just music. Although I see that the "review" isn't yours, it doesn't sound like you like Opeth anyway, or did you like them before and not now?..If you don't like them at all why bother posting on their forum?...have they really upset you that much? By the way, I'm 43, love King Crimson but happen to think that Opeth HAVE got something different to say. Just an opinion, don't get all excited now.
 
I ain't a troll, I am just adding to the thread. You guys take Opeth and yourselves way too seriously. You're like a bunch of fanatical priests working for a church, a group of stalkers defending your favorite band, or the types of maniacs that would salute presidents/tyrants in blind allegiance. Seriously, are you guys members of the band? Are you all simple enough in mentality to be so easily hurt by a bunch of words or even worse "offended" cause some truth kicked your nuts? Damn, you guys are almost like the freak in NY that recently beat the hell out of some guy with a baseball bat cause he likes the Redsox. Even worse is the troll allegation; so if i don't croon and love on the boys in Opeth I am suddenly gonna get banned cause alternative opinions are not accepted in this regime. Fuck, that sounds like Nazism or constitutional infringement via the Patriot Act by George W. Bush on the Opeth forum.

And that ain't even my review. I forgot to mention i saw it on Metal-Archives. I just put it on here to further the thread with debate.
How can truth be based off of your opinion? The two are completely separate entities when it comes down to musical opinion. 100 people with the same taste in music can all listen to the same song and still hear completely different things from one another so before you throw around phrases like "Are you all simple enough in mentality" read what you wrote and ask yourself a similar question. It's funny too that you didnt mention that your write-up was someone elses review until after you got brow beat in return because it looked as though you tried to pass if off as your own opinion. You were obviously bothered also by people defending what they like and not caring for your opinions so don't be hipocritical. Im not going to defend my opinion about Opeth because I don't care about anyone elses opinion except mine. Why start trouble just for the sake of starting trouble and then wonder why you get this backlash in an OPETH FORUM and then try and retaliate with your pretentious vocabulary words. By your own sword....why should it then bother you if we love Opeth as much as we do? Aren't you taking it too seriously as well in the other direction? You even went as far as to try and antagonize people by changing your tag to "blowpeth." Were your parents killed at an Opeth concert? Did Mikael Akerfeldt say something bad about your mom in a song lyric? Was your puppy killed by someone wearing an Opeth shirt? Seriously, get over yourself...you'e not quite as smart as you think you are and by throwing out a few wordy sentences and correcting other people's grammer, you make yourself look desperate, like you need other people to see you as smart.
 
Blowpeth, I have to say, your posts so far have been hugely entertaining; not as entertaining as Opeth themselves, but I'll get to that.

I've never seen such a tangled mass of intellectual masturbation, and all for what? On the assumption that you aren’t a troll, what are you intending here? Who in their right mind goes to the forum of a band, which by their own admission they hate, and posts? Either you don’t understand something and have a desire to learn, and are here for alternate perspectives - (which sorry, doesn’t appear to be the case) - or you are here to ruin things for genuine fans and make other people feel as shitty as you do, which is emotional cowardice.

A number of people have responded to you, and you chose to go screaming off into pedantism and mis-aimed, poorly executed rants. You honestly don’t know why people are already referring to you as a troll after a couple of posts?

You’re either being deliberately obtuse to gain attention – ergo troll, or you lack any form of self awareness, and honestly have no concept of how over-the-top and angst ridden you come across, which makes you an object of pity. Those who think you are a troll are responding to you, those who believe the latter don’t want to waste their time.

So why not troll? It’s the better of the two, imo. Not a bad bunch of people here; they will give you the attention you’re crying out for. Just scream a bit louder and rant some more.

As for the music, (God forbid we get to the music), like Opeth, don’t like Opeth, whatever. It’s an enhancement to life, not a replacement for life. Nobody is taking it that seriously, (except you, ironically).

Nobody is picking issue with your preference, just the mangled way in which you choose to express it.

For me, I hold the vast majority of what Opeth have done in high regard. It enhances my life and makes me smile, which is how it should be. Your posts, regardless of how over the top or amusing, don’t impact that.

Find some music you do like. I hope it makes you smile too.
 
Blowpeth, I have to say, your posts so far have been hugely entertaining; not as entertaining as Opeth themselves, but I'll get to that.

I've never seen such a tangled mass of intellectual masturbation, and all for what? On the assumption that you aren’t a troll, what are you intending here? Who in their right mind goes to the forum of a band, which by their own admission they hate, and posts? Either you don’t understand something and have a desire to learn, and are here for alternate perspectives - (which sorry, doesn’t appear to be the case) - or you are here to ruin things for genuine fans and make other people feel as shitty as you do, which is emotional cowardice.

A number of people have responded to you, and you chose to go screaming off into pedantism and mis-aimed, poorly executed rants. You honestly don’t know why people are already referring to you as a troll after a couple of posts?

You’re either being deliberately obtuse to gain attention – ergo troll, or you lack any form of self awareness, and honestly have no concept of how over-the-top and angst ridden you come across, which makes you an object of pity. Those who think you are a troll are responding to you, those who believe the latter don’t want to waste their time.

So why not troll? It’s the better of the two, imo. Not a bad bunch of people here; they will give you the attention you’re crying out for. Just scream a bit louder and rant some more.

As for the music, (God forbid we get to the music), like Opeth, don’t like Opeth, whatever. It’s an enhancement to life, not a replacement for life. Nobody is taking it that seriously, (except you, ironically).

Nobody is picking issue with your preference, just the mangled way in which you choose to express it.

For me, I hold the vast majority of what Opeth have done in high regard. It enhances my life and makes me smile, which is how it should be. Your posts, regardless of how over the top or amusing, don’t impact that.

Find some music you do like. I hope it makes you smile too.

***Starts slow clap***:headbang:
 
Good album and they are still better than most other bands, but yes I was a bit disappointed. It's near to if not at the bottom of my Opeth list. Maybe it will grow on me (though I have barely even listened to it lately), but I think the only song that lives up to the name of Opeth is Heir Apparent (the riff at 2:30 = AMAZING). Den Ständiga Resan and Derelict Herds are top-notch too, but they're not on the album.

For the record, I loved GR and I don't think they have sold out or anything like that.