Ihreil Junkenstein said:
Yeah, it's just too bad the US don't recognize the international criminal court and nobody can put bush on trial for war crimes... how fucking convenient.
lizard
Member
TheSinMakesYouReal
Evil Inside
Ihreil Junkenstein said:
For your information I watch MSNBC. That's how America is, we don't lie, we just don't tell you till after we did it.
TheSinMakesYouReal
Evil Inside
msnbc ... so terribly one sided. they're in it for the ratings. They were obviously depressed when bombings didn't happen immediately at "THE ZERO HOUR" (dum dum dummm [/suspenseful music] ) Blatant allusions to the disappointment.
FOX News is better and shows almost all aspects (they won't show the bodies ... ) but they're a gang of annoying fucks.
newscasters talk bullshit, watch the shows for the footage, not the commentary.
FOX News is better and shows almost all aspects (they won't show the bodies ... ) but they're a gang of annoying fucks.
newscasters talk bullshit, watch the shows for the footage, not the commentary.
As the Invasion of Iraq Begins, Greens Call Bush Indictable for War Crimes.
THE GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
MEDIA RELEASE: Thursday, March 20, 2003
Contacts:
Nancy Allen, Media Coordinator, 207-326-4576, nallen@acadia.net
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, scottmclarty@yahoo.com
"[O]ur position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."
-- Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson, U.S. Representative to the International Conference on Military Trials, August 12, 1945, speaking on the culpability of German leaders.
WASHINGTON, DC -- As President Bush gave orders launching the invasion of Iraq, the Green Party of the United States reaffirmed its opposition to the war and demand for the withdrawal of troops, quoting Theodore Roosevelt:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." (Remarks in 1918 on President Woodrow Wilson's suppression of dissent against U.S. involvement in World War I)
Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and international law. Greens and other antiwar activists are organizing emergency responses to the invasion, including a recall campaign, initiated by www.PeaceEconomy.org, against pro-war Congress members who violated their oath to uphold the Constitution by surrendering their power to declare war.
"The success of the U.N. inspections has only proven the need for continued diplomatic efforts undertaken in cooperation with the international community," said Annie Goeke, co-chair of the party's International Committee. "Nowhere in Resolution 1441 is there language that requires overthrowing the government of Iraq in a bloody invasion. There is no legal or moral basis for this war."
Greens listed several examples of crimes that may make Bush and other White House officials vulnerable to domestic prosecution and to Nuremburg-style international trials:
CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS: Military aggression and conquest violate the constitutionally mandated role of U.S. armed forces. (Article I, Section 8; Article IV, Section 4)
VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW (U.N. Charter; Geneva Convention): Preemptive invasion without proof of an imminent attack is an illegal act of military aggression. The Bush Administration has never proved that an attack by Saddam on the U.S. or any other country is imminent. The mission of the U.N. is to avert war, not to rubberstamp invasions.
LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORLD: President Bush, Secretary of State Powell, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, and other officials have lied about the weapons capability of Iraq, including nuclear, bio, and chemical arms (Iraq has no means to deliver them); about connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda (which seeks to overthrow Saddam); about Saddam's involvement in terrorism against the U.S. (no evidence); about the U.S.'s intention to establish democracy in Iraq. In his January 28 State of the Union address, Bush used a paranoid fantasy scenario to justify war: "Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein....".
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials, April 18, 1946.
RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT: While Bush claims that the war on Iraq is necessary for homeland security, the invasion will result in terrorist retaliation against Americans at home and abroad. While Bush expresses concern for Iraqi civilians, the U.S. plans for a "shock and awe" campaign, with a massive missile attack on Baghdad, and intends to use cluster bombs and landmines, which will kill and maim thousands of civilians. The U.S. will also use depleted uranium, despite the severe health problems it caused American soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the last Persian Gulf War. The U.S.'s illegal coercive techniques in the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners, with some prisoners sent to Egypt and other countries that use torture openly, places U.S. soldiers who are captured at grave risk of torture.
SUBTERFUGE: U.S. intelligence sabotaged the U.N. inspections in Iraq by withholding crucial information from the inspectors about Saddam Hussein's arsenal -- evident in Powell's own presentation before the U.N. Powell cited a graduate student's dossier on Iraq published ten years ago as 'damning evidence' collected by the British Secret Service. The U.N. is investigating the bugging, allegedly by the U.S., of the offices and phone lines of U.N. delegations whose support the Bush Administration sought for the invasion.
BRIBERY AND EXTORTION: The Bush Administration bribed Turkey and other countries to get their support in the U.N. for invading Iraq, and also threatened to withdraw foreign aid and impose other penalties. (The $26 billion bribe failed to persuade the Turkish parliament.)
AIDING AND ABETTING THE ENEMY: U.S. companies, in deals negotiated in part with Rumsfeld's help, sold Iraq chemical, bio (including Anthrax), and other weapons during the 1980s. While Vice President Cheney served as CEO, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root did $73 million worth of business with Iraq between 1998 and 2000 and sold Iraq pulse generators, designed for oil drilling but which can be used for nuclear detonations, despite the economic sanctions against Iraq.
WAR PROFITEERING: According to the Wall Street Journal (January 16, 2003), officials from the White House, State Department, and Defense Department have met with execs from Halliburton, ExxonMobil, and other oil firms to determine who will control Iraqi oil after the war. Halliburton now has a multimillion-dollar contract to rebuild Iraq's oil field after the war, and ExxonMobil has won a $47.8 million contract to supply gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil to U.S. and NATO forces.
MORE INFORMATION
The Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org
National office: 1314 18th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 202-296-7755, 866-41GREEN
Green Party antiwar mobilization page http://www.greenpartyus.org/peace.html
PeaceEconomy.org http://www.peaceeconomy.org
United for Peace and Justice http://www.unitedforpeace.org
THE GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
MEDIA RELEASE: Thursday, March 20, 2003
Contacts:
Nancy Allen, Media Coordinator, 207-326-4576, nallen@acadia.net
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, scottmclarty@yahoo.com
"[O]ur position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."
-- Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson, U.S. Representative to the International Conference on Military Trials, August 12, 1945, speaking on the culpability of German leaders.
WASHINGTON, DC -- As President Bush gave orders launching the invasion of Iraq, the Green Party of the United States reaffirmed its opposition to the war and demand for the withdrawal of troops, quoting Theodore Roosevelt:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." (Remarks in 1918 on President Woodrow Wilson's suppression of dissent against U.S. involvement in World War I)
Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and international law. Greens and other antiwar activists are organizing emergency responses to the invasion, including a recall campaign, initiated by www.PeaceEconomy.org, against pro-war Congress members who violated their oath to uphold the Constitution by surrendering their power to declare war.
"The success of the U.N. inspections has only proven the need for continued diplomatic efforts undertaken in cooperation with the international community," said Annie Goeke, co-chair of the party's International Committee. "Nowhere in Resolution 1441 is there language that requires overthrowing the government of Iraq in a bloody invasion. There is no legal or moral basis for this war."
Greens listed several examples of crimes that may make Bush and other White House officials vulnerable to domestic prosecution and to Nuremburg-style international trials:
CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS: Military aggression and conquest violate the constitutionally mandated role of U.S. armed forces. (Article I, Section 8; Article IV, Section 4)
VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW (U.N. Charter; Geneva Convention): Preemptive invasion without proof of an imminent attack is an illegal act of military aggression. The Bush Administration has never proved that an attack by Saddam on the U.S. or any other country is imminent. The mission of the U.N. is to avert war, not to rubberstamp invasions.
LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORLD: President Bush, Secretary of State Powell, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, and other officials have lied about the weapons capability of Iraq, including nuclear, bio, and chemical arms (Iraq has no means to deliver them); about connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda (which seeks to overthrow Saddam); about Saddam's involvement in terrorism against the U.S. (no evidence); about the U.S.'s intention to establish democracy in Iraq. In his January 28 State of the Union address, Bush used a paranoid fantasy scenario to justify war: "Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein....".
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials, April 18, 1946.
RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT: While Bush claims that the war on Iraq is necessary for homeland security, the invasion will result in terrorist retaliation against Americans at home and abroad. While Bush expresses concern for Iraqi civilians, the U.S. plans for a "shock and awe" campaign, with a massive missile attack on Baghdad, and intends to use cluster bombs and landmines, which will kill and maim thousands of civilians. The U.S. will also use depleted uranium, despite the severe health problems it caused American soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the last Persian Gulf War. The U.S.'s illegal coercive techniques in the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners, with some prisoners sent to Egypt and other countries that use torture openly, places U.S. soldiers who are captured at grave risk of torture.
SUBTERFUGE: U.S. intelligence sabotaged the U.N. inspections in Iraq by withholding crucial information from the inspectors about Saddam Hussein's arsenal -- evident in Powell's own presentation before the U.N. Powell cited a graduate student's dossier on Iraq published ten years ago as 'damning evidence' collected by the British Secret Service. The U.N. is investigating the bugging, allegedly by the U.S., of the offices and phone lines of U.N. delegations whose support the Bush Administration sought for the invasion.
BRIBERY AND EXTORTION: The Bush Administration bribed Turkey and other countries to get their support in the U.N. for invading Iraq, and also threatened to withdraw foreign aid and impose other penalties. (The $26 billion bribe failed to persuade the Turkish parliament.)
AIDING AND ABETTING THE ENEMY: U.S. companies, in deals negotiated in part with Rumsfeld's help, sold Iraq chemical, bio (including Anthrax), and other weapons during the 1980s. While Vice President Cheney served as CEO, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root did $73 million worth of business with Iraq between 1998 and 2000 and sold Iraq pulse generators, designed for oil drilling but which can be used for nuclear detonations, despite the economic sanctions against Iraq.
WAR PROFITEERING: According to the Wall Street Journal (January 16, 2003), officials from the White House, State Department, and Defense Department have met with execs from Halliburton, ExxonMobil, and other oil firms to determine who will control Iraqi oil after the war. Halliburton now has a multimillion-dollar contract to rebuild Iraq's oil field after the war, and ExxonMobil has won a $47.8 million contract to supply gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil to U.S. and NATO forces.
MORE INFORMATION
The Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org
National office: 1314 18th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 202-296-7755, 866-41GREEN
Green Party antiwar mobilization page http://www.greenpartyus.org/peace.html
PeaceEconomy.org http://www.peaceeconomy.org
United for Peace and Justice http://www.unitedforpeace.org
Yetti
Active Member
ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS SHOCKED INTO REALITYHere is a paragraph from a UPI dispatch from Jordon. It seems some American anti-war demonstrators have seen the light.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r
"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
Well, at least we can give them credit for their ability to learn. Here's your link if you want to read the entire story.http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
"hello my name is sheila , i am 30 years old and i am scarred to death, because iraqui people hold me prisoner"
"i come from new jersey because i was ordered, plz dont kill me"
... more to come from brave american "we bring freedom and bombs and death to iraq" marines
hey americans , did ur tv channels show the dead children ?
"i come from new jersey because i was ordered, plz dont kill me"
... more to come from brave american "we bring freedom and bombs and death to iraq" marines
hey americans , did ur tv channels show the dead children ?
lizard
Member
blah blah blah
it's amazing to me how you apologists for totalitarianism have such a hardon for ordinary americans who indeed were ordered to go. those american POWs are every bit as much victims of Bush as the iraqi civilians are. why don't you look deep within yourself and instead of attacking ordinary everyday people, realize this is Bush's war, it is always the leaders who drag their people into these messes.
it's amazing to me how you apologists for totalitarianism have such a hardon for ordinary americans who indeed were ordered to go. those american POWs are every bit as much victims of Bush as the iraqi civilians are. why don't you look deep within yourself and instead of attacking ordinary everyday people, realize this is Bush's war, it is always the leaders who drag their people into these messes.
Yetti
Active Member
TheSinMakesYouReal
Evil Inside
IOfTheStorm said:
I guess you think that is fucking funny you fucking prick? I am sick and tired of you pussy ass bitches talk shit because you don't have the balls to fight.
"Oh we think it's better not to fight", yeah I bet you do you fucking pussy.
The way they are treating the prisoner are againts the janeva convention. Which only goes to show that Saddam is a liar and does not give a shit how the rest of the world operates.
Bush is not doing any thing illigle by not obeying the UN and has done nothing against the janeva convention.
"Some people say if the US doesn't leason to the UN, what makes you think anyone else will?" Well, they wont, because they don't already look at Iraq. But, of course you wont agree because you just hate america. Well, that is, untill some one is kicking your ass then you beg for our help, people, and our money. Then when we are done, you hate us again.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
it is funny because she was paid to do go there.
and it is more funny because probably before she was captured, she would be like the marine i saw saying "it is business" .
and yes thats ur logic , you burn a place to the ground and then send "help" ... help the dead yes.NOONE asks for america's help.
balls to fight?
americans started talking about BALLS while they are making the top coward war ever .
it is not about balls , it is about $$$ we said it thousand times already.
u know who had balls? the guy in the oscars ...
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
yeah.. american hate that guy in the oscars now.
i respect him.. they're saying it was innapropriate.. heh!
i respect him.. they're saying it was innapropriate.. heh!
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
ForbiddenAngel
IT AINT GONNA LICK ITSELF
DUDE.....Whats with the hatred, We;re not stupid for believing what we do, so fucking get off it.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
i didnt say that you are stupid, i say that you play the stupid.
one didnt believe what most of you believe (the guy in the oscars) and everyone hates him now (or smthing)
one didnt believe what most of you believe (the guy in the oscars) and everyone hates him now (or smthing)
ForbiddenAngel
IT AINT GONNA LICK ITSELF
Well, ya know besides that, you've been pretty harsh in the conversations of current events.........
I just think some ppl need to calm thereselves, count to 10 if u must. That's all, much love Brother.
I just think some ppl need to calm thereselves, count to 10 if u must. That's all, much love Brother.
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