What defines 'alternative' metal

[Eligos]

Alternative metal... is that like when Alternative rock bands who publically cite black metal as an influence riff it out bm style on their albums?

http://youtu.be/Ek_cM2nOrxQ?t=1m50s

 

[CiG]

Why would you call Black Metal alternative metal when you can just call it Black Metal and the non-metal elements you're talking about can just be implied under the Black Metal label? Your logic is a clusterfuck.

 

[RedStorm]

stop using your logic here, get the fuck out ^^


i want to keep watching them argue

 

[The Ozzman]

who constantly posts here with his dick in his hand.

You mean I wouldn't be the only one.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

jesus get a job.

fwiw I had nothing to do over the weekend.

Why would you call Black Metal alternative metal when you can just call it Black Metal and the non-metal elements you're talking about can just be implied under the Black Metal label? Your logic is a clusterfuck.

Call it black metal, my point is that it is just as derivative (if not more so) of non-metal influences as non-approved-metalcore or nu metal. Much of it is effectively alternative metal and the powers that be should admit that in the spirit of fairness.

 

[The Butt]

No, you are wrong.

I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation why either.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

 

[RedStorm]

ahaha

 

[RedStorm]

what HBB is saying makes perfect sense, but its very easy to get caught up in your own words and fuck up what you're trying to communicate, (which i do a lot too)

 

[The Butt]

 

[The Ozzman]

I lol'd. I thought that was hilarious.

 

[Eligos]

We should just rename this thread to HBB v GMD.

 

[CiG]

Call it black metal, my point is that it is just as derivative (if not more so) of non-metal influences as non-approved-metalcore or nu metal. Much of it is effectively alternative metal and the powers that be should admit that in the spirit of fairness.

Not the Black Metal I listen to.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

I am not scrolling through 8 pages of this shit, so I'm just gonna say this.

I didn't even know "alternative metal" was a thing. Nor do I even think it is.

 

[Satanstoenail]

I lol'd. I thought that was hilarious.

I nearly choked. Outstanding.

And actually I think HBB made some valid points and it's hilarious watching uptight snobs like Omni and Mort get all offended and huffy and dismiss everything he says as nonsense. The argument that he only feels this way because he doesn't like black metal is just as easily used against people like them when they write bands like Slipknot off as being non-metal just because they don't like them. And for me, that's the crux of the argument. Not whether black metal is alternative metal or whether Throbbing Gristle were influenced by post punk or what the hell alternative metal even is. It's this fucking double standard displayed by self righteous metal nerds who think that black metal is some untouchable purest metal but nu-metal/metalcore/whatever isn't worthy of being called metal at all.

 

[Mort Divine]

It's not about "worthiness." Where the fuck did you get that?

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_metal_artists

Has this been posted yet? Notice how every single band has an "also classed as..." note.

 

[CiG]

Nothing wrong with being a Metal snob, as long as you're up-front about being one.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_metal_artists

Has this been posted yet? Notice how every single band has an "also classed as..." note.

It says AiC are also classed as "dark metal", among other things. That brings up another question: What in the everlasting fuck is dark metal?

 

[The Ozzman]