What kind of metal would you call this?

ADS

Universe Igniter
In the vein of the sub-genre thread going on, I was wondering what you all would classify this song as...

Wilted Sanity

I've been trying to figure out what to call this stuff, but I'm not really sure. It's hard to call it black metal, or even gothic metal... especially once you get about 1/3 into the song. It seems too heavy to be black, and it really doesn't fit into what I would consider "gothic". Gothic blackmetal? Gothic death with black vocals? Just plain shit? Not sure.

Any opinions? Any other bands you know that you would consider a similar style?

Thanks in advance,

~Robert
 
Awful? Really? Hmmm... I dunno... I kinda dig it.

If you don't mind me asking... do you think it's awful because you hate symphonic metal? Or because you like symphonic metal and think that it's a horrible example of it?

~Robert
 
ADS said:
If you don't mind me asking... do you think it's awful because you hate symphonic metal? Or because you like symphonic metal and think that it's a horrible example of it?

~Robert
I like some symphonic metal such as Emperor and Summoning, but the problem with THAT band is that the orchestrations don't really add anything and the guitars aren't very interesting in the first place, so it's just bland.
That's my opinion anyway.I'm sure Dimmu Borgir fans would be into it.
 
Hey, I'm a Dimmu Borgir fan and guess what....I like it! I'm not an expert in black metal (more of a thrash guy) but I'd say it's pretty close to what I would call gothic black metal. I disagree with Lordfirewrom about the guitars though. A song like this doesn't NEED guitars all over the place. It's a well-paced song, everything fits and the black and clean vocal work very well together. I would buy this.
 
LordFireworm said:
I like some symphonic metal such as Emperor and Summoning, but the problem with THAT band is that the orchestrations don't really add anything and the guitars aren't very interesting in the first place, so it's just bland.
That's my opinion anyway.I'm sure Dimmu Borgir fans would be into it.
Ahhh ok... I gotcha. Well thank you though. I do appreciate you responding and offering your opinion. Being influenced somewhat by Dimmu, that could make sense that Dimmu fans might like it (that's me you hear screaming, playing guitar and writing all those bland orchestrations :) )

And Release... thanks man! Glad you liked it. I may hold you to that "I'd buy it" thing one of these days! :D

"Gothic black metal" works, but I shudder at using the word "gothic" when describing this stuff to someone. I think just simply "symphonic metal" might be a good way to explain it. Generic enough, but still appropriate. Then let the listener decide on the goth, black or deathness of it.

Thanks again for the feedback guys.

~Robert
 
Yeah, I presumed it was you actually since "ADS" comes up on the download manager when it's saved...Haha.
I'm not crazy about symphonic stuff in general so the other guy's verdict on it would be more valid since he's your target audience.
It definitely sounds as good as the Dimmu Borgir stuff I've heard though so...
 
I stopped listening to it about 2 and a half seconds after the guitars came in.

How about just Gothic Metal? You people throw around the term black metal WAY too loosely, even if you said "Gothic Black Metal." "Gothic black metal" shouldn't even have the term "black metal" in it.

Calling this type of music any kind of black metal is like saying Disturbed are real metal.
 
Caelum Adustum said:
I stopped listening to it about 2 and a half seconds after the guitars came in.
Okay, I'm curious... then how could you even offer an opinion on its description? The beginning gives little indication of where it might go from there. What if it went from... like... harpsichord... to BRUTAL DEATH MAYHEMISTIC INSANITY... and the harpsichord was just a twisted plot to decieve you and others out there with A.D.D.? You'd never know!

Uhhh... it doesn't do that, by the way. Just so you know.

Boring though... wow... I wouldn't expect everyone to like it, but I never imagined anyone would call this stuff boring? :err: Hmmm... I suppose it could be, depending on how exciting your life is or something? :)

Anyone else have an opinion? Perhaps some of you who aren't immediately all turned off by the terms "gothic" or "symphonic"? Any Dimmu or Borknagar fans think this stuff is any good?

Man... I figured there'd at least be a few out there who liked it.

Guess I better not quit my day job? :)
 
I'm not going to bother downloading it, but I will still comment.

I must admit, I feel pretty shitfull if someone has a go at my music... but you've gotta remember, it is YOUR music, no-one elses. Whatever they think of it shouldnt affect your view of it. You write the music for yourself, no-one else. Dont let the bastards get you down... keep it up.
 
Caelum Adustum said:
How about just Gothic Metal? You people throw around the term black metal WAY too loosely, even if you said "Gothic Black Metal." "Gothic black metal" shouldn't even have the term "black metal" in it.

Calling this type of music any kind of black metal is like saying Disturbed are real metal.
This argument is done and tired. Drop it.

ShroudOfDusk said:
I must admit, I feel pretty shitfull if someone has a go at my music... but you've gotta remember, it is YOUR music, no-one elses. Whatever they think of it shouldnt affect your view of it. You write the music for yourself, no-one else. Dont let the bastards get you down... keep it up.
I concur.
 
Thanks all for the comments! I greatly appreciate those of you who have taken the time to download the song and offer an opinion.

Yeah, ShroudOfDusk, I hear ya... but I wouldn't have made this post in the first place if I wasn't prepared for people to rip on the stuff. I have seen some of the posts that get made around here... so I knew what to expect :) I have no plans to change, and would never do so based on a handful of people not liking it. That comment about quiting my day job was just a joke :)

The thing is though... when I write, I don't write for any particular style. I just write it, and it comes out how it comes out. Because of that, there can be a lot of style variation from one song to the next. I dig a lot of death, black, doom, old school thrash stuff... and I think (IMO, anyway) that a combination of those 4 styles shows through in the music - this song especially, and probably a whole lot of ADS's songs... though one can have more black, one more doom, etc. "Wilted Sanity" is actually a pretty depressing song, which is probably why it ended up with a gothy feel to it.

But anyway... a possible underlying reason behind making this post in the first place is because I'm questioning whether that's a good way to write music... whether I should "let the song write itself" so to speak, or if I should be trying to focus myself on a more specific style or genre. With the positive comments I've gotten here though, including a few from those of you who don't even like that style of music, I think I'm gonna just stick with what I'm doing and see where it can go. I mean... hell... it's not like I'm doing this to try and make a living off it anyway :) The sole motivation behind ADS is simply "for the love of music" and creative self-expression. If people really like it, man that's awesome... if they don't, then hey, that's cool too. It's certainly not for everyone.

I consider "Wilted Sanity" a bit of a defining moment for ADS, as it's the first song completed as a whole song, not an instrumental, intended for the demo CD.

Honestly though, I'm probably doing more harm than good by posting a single song at a time and asking for comments on what to call ADS's style... because none of you can see the whole picture that way. I need to just shut up, get my ass in gear, and finish all the rest of these damn songs already :)



To answer some of Black Wing's comments (glad you liked it! :headbang: ) ...about the band, there's really not much to tell. Everything you hear in that song is me, with the expection of the female vox of course, who belong to my better half. You can go to the main page... http://adifferentsun.com ...to learn some more, and listen to other music as well. Though I warn you... the styles can vary greatly, and the older stuff is kinda crappy in quality. I'd love it if you checked some of that stuff out though, and always welcome opinions.



Just some FYI about the other music on that page...

Wilted Sanity and Seismonic Repercussions of Mayhemistic Mellowness (instrumental) are both destined for the demo CD with no changes (only some remastering).

Desert Moon Symphony will also end up on the CD, though not as an instrumental. It's going to see a lot of changes and become way cool I think.

Release Your Dreams will be redone for the demo, but will remain an instrumental (it'll see no changes except a fresh production).

Lab Rat will be completely redone and rerecorded. It'll still be weird, but not quite as weird as the way you hear it now :)

Some form of Horizons Asunder may end on the demo CD as well.

Everything else for the CD isn't online in any form, but if you listen to the above pieces, even the stuff that's going to see changes, you'll get a better picture of ADS as a whole. Well, I shouldn't say that... take that picture you get and make it a little darker with a much heavier sound, and that'd probably be close :)

Anyway... enough babbling... thanks again to you all. And an extra thanks to those of you who don't even like this kind of stuff but still offered constructive comments :headbang:

~Robert
 
I think the way your writing the music is fine. It probably wouldn't turn out that great if you aimed for a specific genre. But taking all of your influences and rolling them into one, that's where it's at. I'm also in a band. We only have 2 songs and neither are finished. One just has kind of a rock sound to it, and the other one a more melodic death sound. This may be because my friend wrote most of the rock one and I wrote the melodic death, but anyways I know what you mean by each of your songs sounding different. I don't really think there is anything wrong with this. I'm expecting as we write more music it will all come together as a similar style of music eventually. So, once again, stick with the way you are writing music now.

I'll check out the rest of your songs later when I have more time, because my computer is slow and takes forever to download music.
 
First of all... holy CRAP was that previous post of mine long! WTF was I on when I wrote that!? Looking back at it now... DAMN! :eek:

Black Wings of Death said:
I'll check out the rest of your songs later when I have more time, because my computer is slow and takes forever to download music.

Nahhh... don't bother unless you're reeeeally bored some night sitting in front of your computer :) Just wait for the demo CD and I'll send you a free one :headbang:
 
im downloading a sample now, but i am too fucked up to give you a real review, so i may chime in tomorrow :)
 
im listening to wilted sanity right now and im liking it. Im downloading your other stuff to see if i lie that too, but so far its good, i like the mood.

edit: listned to mostly all of it and i really like it. im quite impressed, im not a big BM fan, but this is pretty good.