Speaking of Venom(who it's KEWL TO LIKE!). I remember on another message board someone went into walmart with their kids & wife wearing a Venom shirt. A little ways into the store they were asked to leave.
What's with the Opeth backlash??
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byrne
Certavi et vici
Dee Snarl said:
At what point did anyone say that due to the fact that Iron Maiden is an entry level, they are "less valuable"? Why try and read an argument into what people say. You are an idiot.
Alex78
Fretbuzz Virtuoso
Opeth may be overrated in the way that some people think they're the best metal band ever. however, they're still ridiculously superior to 90% of all that generic crap bands of today. there are not many bands showing a similar level of songwriting, in my opinion. Now, that Ghost Reveries is out, which shows some more "modern" influences, everyone's like "omg, Opeth sucks!"...please name some better bands, I'm interested! I keep on searching but it's damn hard to find metal bands as good and _mature_ as Opeth.
Personally, I clearly prefer Blackwater Park/Still Life/MAYH over GR, but it's still a great album.
Personally, I clearly prefer Blackwater Park/Still Life/MAYH over GR, but it's still a great album.
Saparmurat_Niyazov
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The Greys said:Speaking of Venom(who it's KEWL TO LIKE!). I remember on another message board someone went into walmart with their kids & wife wearing a Venom shirt. A little ways into the store they were asked to leave.
That must have been a bible-belt Wal-Mart, because the last time I was in White-trash-mart around here I was wearing a t-shirt with about 30 separate phrases with the word "fuck" printed all over it. Oddly enough, however, my high school principal pulled me out of class for an emergency meeting with my parents because I was wearing a Metallica t-shirt
tickled: 
). He was concerned that I was involved in demonic worship. It's amazing what a difference 12 years and 150 miles make.
Opeth wernt an entry level band for me at the time I listened to alot of heavy music with Black metal growls and at first I didnt like opeths growls it took me a while to get into them and im still not blown away by them. They are fun to listen to and in the right mood they give off a great feeling while listening to the CDs but all in all not an amazing all hail Mikael GOD of black metal and guitar band they are average.
DeathsSweetEmbrace said:That must have been a bible-belt Wal-Mart, because the last time I was in White-trash-mart around here I was wearing a t-shirt with about 30 separate phrases with the word "fuck" printed all over it. Oddly enough, however, my high school principal pulled me out of class for an emergency meeting with my parents because I was wearing a Metallica t-shirt
People just don't like band shirts period. I use to go to school not sure if I would be kicked out or not. Acouple people I use to know say i would probably do the first school shooting. I don't even think i look intimidating but when you're wearing a slayer,morbid angel shirt people literally think you want to slay them or something... I'm just a guitarist that's all. I don't want to blow up the town. One time I had to flip my shirt inside out at school.
Go into an FYE wearing a band shirt... not one worker will ask you if you need help. Go wearing a regular shirt and semi attractive female will ask you if you need help finding a cd. Shirts really make a difference in how people percieve you regardless where you are.
I don't always like to be percieved as a threat you know.
Must be an American thing. I've worn band shirts for ages and never had any negative remarks. Though none of the shirts I have are particularly offensive anyway. People might be slightly less likely to come up to me than if I were wearing a shirt and tie and had a normal haircut. But then I am fairly anti-social and quite like it that way.
And one of the people I hang out with a lot at college is a devout Catholic so I can't look that scary...
[edit: oh yeah, to clarify, I live in the Netherlands]
And one of the people I hang out with a lot at college is a devout Catholic so I can't look that scary...
[edit: oh yeah, to clarify, I live in the Netherlands]
One time at Walmart I saw a fat ass cashier that had no legs sitting in a weird wheechair. It must suck for them to have no legs but since they're working at walmart till their death atleast they get to sit down the whole time... it's like fate. That fat fuck does not have to stand up while working
Susperia
Member
My boyfriend doesn't really like when I wear my band shirts, so I don't wear them much anymore..
However, he says it would be great if I got enormous gauges, wore sweatshirts with the hood up, and learned how to mosh. *rolls eyes*
However, he says it would be great if I got enormous gauges, wore sweatshirts with the hood up, and learned how to mosh. *rolls eyes*
Susperia
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I've never had any negative comments. I have a Dark funeral t-shirt with the Diabolis Interium album cover on front with "Diabolis Interium" written on it, of course. - "The Devil Within/Inside", I guess it can't affend people it they don't know what it means...? But then again, I live in Canada so religion isn't as big of a problem as in the US.
TylerTheNuke
I have eaten you
Opeth is fine, but what the backlash is over is noob fans. A lot of metal heads think that opeth are okay, but there is much better stuff, like the norwegian black metal scene, for example.
Dodens Grav said:By merit of Opeth being one of the first handful of bands that people get into these days, they are absolutely and unequivically an entry level band.
When i think of an entry level band, i think of a band that i would have non metal fans listen to to get them into metal....
i would never give a first time metal listener a band with death metal vocals, even if they like the music (extreme or soft). people, in general, just dont like those vocals. i have friends who like some opeth "parts" in their songs, but they always say the same thing in the end, being "i like the music, i dont like the vocals at all."
pantera and fear factory (except for soanm) are bands that i would consider entry level...
alas, in the end...who gives a shit.
How about this: An entrance band to get metal fans into "extreme" metal.
Not a very advanced concept.
Not a very advanced concept.
Actually bands like slayer,sepultura,fear facory,etc... are still gateway bands & will be for a long time. I'm not sure on status but these bands are probably still very big like say in 98 or whatever. I know because I have a younger sister who recently got into metal by bands like this and nu-metal(a lot of people get into heavier music this way). I'm sure their are some other mature metal bands that get people into metal besides opeth regardless. I listen to opeth & my sisters friends(into hip hop),one of her friends older sister(my age) still think i'm a weirdo & it's devil music so it can't be as accecible as people make it out to be. It's still very unconvential in a metal sence compared to other well known bands.
I just can't picture people not into heavier music hearing opeth with growling vocals and being like OMG I like metal. People not into heavy music that get into opeth are probably musicians. If someone likes opeth having trouble getting into some more underground stuff maybe it's just not musical enough for them.
I just can't picture people not into heavier music hearing opeth with growling vocals and being like OMG I like metal. People not into heavy music that get into opeth are probably musicians. If someone likes opeth having trouble getting into some more underground stuff maybe it's just not musical enough for them.
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