5150/6505 for recording??

[decoy205]

I'm tired of my rectifier's sound and i'm selling it. I've been hearing a TON of great clips of 5150's and I'm feeling like that is the way to go for recording and live. There are more expensive amps out there but from listening to clips and my favorite guitar recordings (done with 5150) it seems that's where i'm headed.

Anyone have any opinions on this??

I really want a Machine Head type of sound but I use 7 strings so its difficult to get clarity. I think the 5150 would get me there..

Thanks..

 

[noarin]

Yes, I think the 5150 will definetly get you there, and they go for a reasonable price as well.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I love the 5150. It's pretty popular in this area. Quite a bit less as far as bells and whistles go compared to a recto though, and to each thier own but the clean is awful.

But the amp just ownes.

 

[decoy205]

I love the 5150. It's pretty popular in this area. Quite a bit less as far as bells and whistles go compared to a recto though, and to each thier own but the clean is awful.

But the amp just ownes.

I've heard with the bias mod you can get usable clean tones?? I use clean with my band very little. I will sacrifice it for a great lead channel.

btw I'm using a Viper 407
and a Bogner Ubercab. I've tried various cabs and guitars with my recto and its not giving me the sound I want. I put JJ's in there and its MUCH better but still not what I want for my recordings...


Right now I like very few amps.. I've listened to clips from TONS of them. these are the ones I keep going back to:

Soldano anything 2 channel
Deizel's
and Bogner's

5150/6505 (bias modded) Still way cheaper then any of the above.
Randall RM100 (various modules) I can get a good deal on these.

What would you choose out of the above??

I dont like the tone of Splawns for heavy shit, too boxy in the upper mids. I like quick rod for hard rock/blues but thats not what i need right now.
I dont like Engl's they are two highendy papery sounding to me.

 

[noarin]

what genre do you need the amp for?

 

[decoy205]

what genre do you need the amp for?

I play hardcore/metal. A lot of chuggin. I tune my drop the B-string to A. Mostly tight rhythmic stuff. we are like a cross between hatebreed and meshuggah.

check out my sig.

 

[006]

5150II used on eBay.

Done.

~006

 

[Metaltastic]

Or 5150 with bias mod, yeah - plug into the low gain input, raise the gain on the lead channel to compensate, and you should have a perfectly useable clean tone on the rhythm channel.

 

[decoy205]

Or 5150 with bias mod, yeah - plug into the low gain input, raise the gain on the lead channel to compensate, and you should have a perfectly useable clean tone on the rhythm channel.

cool yeah thats what I was thinking. People shit on the clean channel but I think anything is workable if the amp is good.

I'm really leaning towards the MK1 nto the 5150 II.

I love the way the distortion is soooooooo smooth.

 

[Metaltastic]

Yeah, I don't think anyone would say the 5150II/6505+ sounds better than the 5150/6505; rather, the latter is slightly more useful in a live environment, but not like that matters with the bias mod and the aforementioned "plugging into the low gain input to make green a clean channel" trick (not really the most groundbreaking thing, but it never occurred to me until my friend suggested it to me last year!)

 

[decoy205]

Yeah, I don't think anyone would say the 5150II/6505+ sounds better than the 5150/6505; rather, the latter is slightly more useful in a live environment, but not like that matters with the bias mod and the aforementioned "plugging into the low gain input to make green a clean channel" trick (not really the most groundbreaking thing, but it never occurred to me until my friend suggested it to me last year!)

Yeah i like the plus model too but i've heard that if you a/b the right next to each other the 1 is better. I only heard the 1 through my rig on the low gain input and i really dug it.

 

[Godhasblessedme]

The 5150/6505 is one of the best metal amps on the market, has a very distinct "saw tone". Be aware that a lot of the 5150 sounds on albums that you're hearing are enhanced with BBE units or something similar. Its a nice amp on its own, but with the BBE it really comes into its own. Don't expect Rob Flyn or Gojira straight out of the box.
Personally, the tone of the 5150 is a little too abrasive for my taste, I prefer a Mesa kind of tone.
And the guy is right, the clean is not good.

 

[greyskull]

The 5150/6505 is one of the best metal amps on the market, has a very distinct "saw tone". Be aware that a lot of the 5150 sounds on albums that you're hearing are enhanced with BBE units or something similar. Its a nice amp on its own, but with the BBE it really comes into its own. Don't expect Rob Flyn or Gojira straight out of the box.
Personally, the tone of the 5150 is a little too abrasive for my taste, I prefer a Mesa kind of tone.
And the guy is right, the clean is not good.

no no no no no no no no no no no, wrong
tube screamer
not that disgraceful piece of shit

 

[colonel kurtz]

disgraceful....perfect word

and yes, tubescreamers are a godsend. i've noticed that the trademark krank "fizz" that emanates from my rev jr. regardless of its settings is instantly squashed with a TS in front of it

 

[PostMortem1666]

Be aware that a lot of the 5150 sounds on albums that you're hearing are enhanced with BBE units or something similar. Its a nice amp on its own, but with the BBE it really comes into its own.

You CAN'T be serious....

 

[lost_within]

Sorry a noob question, but what does the sonic maximizer do??

How long have you had the rec? I'd say keep working with it, it's more versatile! I'm saving up for one at the moment.

 

[beyond dead]

the bbe will take your sound... and turn it to poop. poop is an understatement. it takes all the life from your tone, and kills it. if you buy one i will laugh at you, then feel pity for you. dont waste your money

the maximizer attempts to fix phase issues with your speakers or some shit. i never looked too far into it as it made the amp sound like poop. it took some coaxing to convince the guitarist to remove it from the chain, cause he thought it was cool cause some other tone deaf musicians that are respected recommend it. check out some of the early threads on this board and you`ll see andy himself despises the bbe

 

[TomAwesome]

5150s are great! It's hard to go wrong with one of these for a solid and crushing metal tone.

I really want a Machine Head type of sound but I use 7 strings so its difficult to get clarity. I think the 5150 would get me there..

What do you mean exactly? There's no reason a 7-string should sound any more muddy than a 6-string tuned just as low unless it's cheap or something needs to be changed.

Be aware that a lot of the 5150 sounds on albums that you're hearing are enhanced with BBE units or something similar. Its a nice amp on its own, but with the BBE it really comes into its own.

no no no no no no no no no no no, wrong
tube screamer
not that disgraceful piece of shit

disgraceful....perfect word

and yes, tubescreamers are a godsend. i've noticed that the trademark krank "fizz" that emanates from my rev jr. regardless of its settings is instantly squashed with a TS in front of it

You CAN'T be serious....

The Sonic Maximizer is a pretty good unit if you know how to use it. The whole point of it is that it clears up the sound by compensating for the envelope distortion your speakers introduce to it. How can that be such an awful thing? The units commonly sound shitty because people tend to want to crank the knobs on it, but that's not the fault of the unit.

 

[beyond dead]

isnt that envelope distortion part of the sound we know/ love about a v30 with a 57 in front of it??? im not into anything that compensates for things. the only thing the maximizer really compensates for is tiny reproductive organs.

 

[Metaltastic]

What I'm saying is that regardless of whether or not the BBE is garbage, one CAN, in fact, get "Rob Flyn or Gojira" out of the box - provided Rob Flyn or Gojira are there playing through it

The Mesa is one of the best metal amps on the market, has a very distinct "saw tone"...Personally, the tone of the Mesa is a little too abrasive for my taste, I prefer a 5150 kind of tone.

Now it makes sense - the 5150 is one of the most ridonculously smooth hi-gain amps I know of, whereas Mesa Rectos (which I assume you're referring to, unless you have a Triaxis or a Mark IV or something) are incredibly saw like by nature.