just because science can't explain it yet, it doesnt mean science is "flawed". if its real, i beleive in it. put it that way.soundave said:What about things that are real and illogical that science can't explain? Do you refuse to believe in it or could science be flawed?
Powers said:I disagree, I've no problem with people who have faith in something greater than themselves. I always said that if I was going to believe "God" or moreover, faith, was anything it is a code of ethics a moral guide. I wouldn't be suprised if that's what it orginally was closer to, but the Church propogates a more militarisitic idea, with an actaully God and Satan, and Heaven and Hell, concrete concepts of good and evil rather than abstract ones.
In a strange way I respect people who have faith, or at the least envy them, cause' I as an educted aethistic Westerner am for too cynical to have faith. Organised religons are where my issue lies, because they're all exculsionsist all believing they have the chosen the right path. When really it shouldn't matter waht faith you are, but simply that you have faith. Instead these religions attempt to oppress and subjugate people, with threats and blackmail, into supporting them.
no.westknife said:yeah but the burden of proof is on the believers
actually you're wrong, the burden of proof is on the believer. i could come up with some random ridiculous scenario (there's an invisible/intangible leprechaun inside your head controlling your thoughts). sure, there's no way to disprove this, but we all know it's ridiculous. if i seriously believed that, the burden of proof would be on meBraighs said:no.
if I see a building, I assume someone built it.
if a cake comes out of the oven, I assume someone with intelligence made the cake rather than the oven itself
ps. this discussion is immortal
yupwestknife said:actually you're wrong, the burden of proof is on the believer. i could come up with some random ridiculous scenario (there's an invisible/intangible leprechaun inside your head controlling your thoughts). sure, there's no way to disprove this, but we all know it's ridiculous. if i seriously believed that, the burden of proof would be on me