A rant about "shredding"....

[Bryant]

Don't know if it sold more but it's definitively better (I have all Satriani and Malmsteen album, so I believe I can compare as a listener).

There is no question that Satch is a much more well-rounded guitarist than Malmsteen, but back when YM first released his debut, the buzz it created was incredible..... and worhty of the praise. Aside from his third release, "Odyssee" where Joe Lynn Turner helped write quality "songs," Yngwie has done little more than rehash many of the licks he played on his debut.
I consider Satch to be a more versatile player than Malmsteen by far and better all around, but Satch NEVER created the jaw dropping awe YM did on his first release. He might be better, but despite tutoring other guitarists, I doubt he was near as influential as YM. Malmsteen never influenced me much simply because he is so fast and clean, I can play very little of his stuff.


Bryant

 

[Igor_Cavalera]

I'm definately much more of a Satriani fan than a Malmsteen fan, Satch is one of my all time favourite guitarists but it's all opinion I guess.

And about the fake metal comment, I guess fake metal would be Mallcore? As MTV and other media outlets attempt to pass it off as metal?

 

[Wyvern]

but back when YM first released his debut, the buzz it created was incredible..... and worhty of the praise.

Bryant

Aye, I hear you. And damn I remember it, and you know the best part it is still worth praising. Which is also kind of sad for me YM never achieved the quality of his three first records anymore afterwards.

But I guess also that waht makes an album great is the fact you can hear it againa and again on the years after its release and still find it amazing

 

[KMADD]

Hey Wyvern I hate to disagree with you but have you heard the Solos on Slayer's
Seasons In The Abyss, Divine Intervention and Diabolus In Musica? I think they are
hardly amatuerish.

 

[Wyvern]

Hey Wyvern I hate to disagree with you but have you heard the Solos on Slayer's
Seasons In The Abyss, Divine Intervention and Diabolus In Musica? I think they are
hardly amatuerish.

Don't hate it. Disagreement (on a nice mood) is the base of a forum otherwise this would look like a boys choir

And yes I have heard those albums and still believe Hanemman and King can't play a good solo. But please remember that the beauty about listening are the differences between people, otherwise some artist will never had their albums bought

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

There is no question that Satch is a much more well-rounded guitarist than Malmsteen, but back when YM first released his debut, the buzz it created was incredible..... and worhty of the praise. Aside from his third release, "Odyssee" where Joe Lynn Turner helped write quality "songs," Yngwie has done little more than rehash many of the licks he played on his debut.
I consider Satch to be a more versatile player than Malmsteen by far and better all around, but Satch NEVER created the jaw dropping awe YM did on his first release. He might be better, but despite tutoring other guitarists, I doubt he was near as influential as YM. Malmsteen never influenced me much simply because he is so fast and clean, I can play very little of his stuff.


Bryant

I think Satch was very influential but your right not as influential as YM overall... but i think Rhoads was way more influential classical wise then YM and who knows might of influenced YM to pursue that avenue with metal...

 

[USMC0341]

I didnt necessarily say Satch is better... though i do admit i consider him better not because of technical playing but because he does a whole lot more then the classical angle (which i do love classical playing in metal but ala Rhoads only) ... I know everyone has different tastes though... just what Malsteen does has been done to death by him and others... I do like his Trilogy album the best though...

I was agreeing with you...indirectly. It's all in the ear of the beholder when you are talking about musicians who play at that level.

There are a few things that Yngwie revolutionized and does better than anybody else on a guitar - but then he tops out and that's about it. Fast isn't everything - it has to contrast with the emotions of the piece and really say something when you do it. I prefer a much more varied palatte of abilities in a guitar player - Randy Rhoades is a good example - and it doesn't help either that Yngwie is a conceited and arrogant bastard. That doesn't have anything to do with his playing - but he is a dick from all accounts and interviews I have read or viewed.

JB

 

[SoundMaster]

and it doesn't help either that Yngwie is a conceited and arrogant bastard.

I almost spit my soda out when I read this! Hilarious!!

 

[Bryant]

I think Satch was very influential but your right not as influential as YM overall... but i think Rhoads was way more influential classical wise then YM and who knows might of influenced YM to pursue that avenue with metal...

No doubt at all about Rhodes and his influence on modern metal guitar. The same goes for Blackmore as well. Both were pioneers in bringing a bit of a classical influence to rock/metal guitar. This is also a great place for me to give Hoffmann a nice plug as well. Wolf also helped develop a classical influence in metal as well.


Bryant

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

No doubt at all about Rhodes and his influence on modern metal guitar. The same goes for Blackmore as well. Both were pioneers in bringing a bit of a classical influence to rock/metal guitar. This is also a great place for me to give Hoffmann a nice plug as well. Wolf also helped develop a classical influence in metal as well.


Bryant

Yeah Blackmore started it though he didnt use it much... but to me Rhoads perfected it or was about to till fate stepped in... Rhoads could do no wrong as far as im concerned and i think its evidenced in the Tribute album... Wish i could get a full concert of him with Ozzy on video.. but cant find any... only thing i can find and have is when they played for a radio station or Tv station... i forget the title... they played Suicide Solution, Crazy Train, Mr. Crowley and I Don't Know... by watching that you could see that Randy was something special and a born star by all means of the word.... Randy didnt just incorporate only classical.. he incorporated other music genre's its just that he knew when to play the classical things and when not to ... someone like Malsteen just plays it all the time so it all tends to sound the same...

 

[Bryant]

Rhoads could do no wrong as far as im concerned and i think its evidenced in the Tribute album...

I think Randy was absolutely a visionary. Unfortunately the thing that made Randy so great was also a negative for him. He played at the very edge of his skill level. Though that made him a "visionary" as I already stated as well as a technical wizard, he was often sloppy too. It never distracted me enough to make me dislike him by any sense of the imagination, but he is not in my top ten of players. I wish he would have lived longer though because the true love he had of his craft could have meant "the sky's the limit" for him. He always pushed himself and there is no telling how good he could have been.

Bryant