Hmmm... i guess to each his own but the majority would likely disagree with you. Actually... i am guessing a 50/50 split. I like soilwork more, but i love in flames too.
Another thread on the new Soilwork...
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Hmmm, cummon, In Flames have thier good tunes but song for song, every Soilwork and At The Gates album is hopelessly superior to everything by In Flames, even The Jester Race.
Yeah, Soilwork were almost At The Gates rip-offs with SBS, but then again, you can hear At The Gates in every melodic death band, to try labelling Soilwork as bad because they are derivative of the past masters is near-sighted.
As far as i'm concerned, Soilwork along with bands like Skyfire and Dew Scented are pushing the development of melodic death past the At The Gates sound; a genre gets too stale if it fixates on one style for too long, and melodic death has sounded like Slaughter Of The Soul for far too long now.
A Predator's Portrait was the Soilwork album that started to carve new ground, but they had already far surpassed At The Gates as far as skill and intensity was concerned with The Chainheart Machine. The title track, Millionflame, Spirits Of The Future Sun, Possessing The Angels........you can't class At The Gates in the same league as what Soilwork did with The Chainheart Machine, the sound might be indebted to At The Gates, but you'd have to be deaf to not see Soilwork are far more talented than At The Gates were.
Yeah, Soilwork were almost At The Gates rip-offs with SBS, but then again, you can hear At The Gates in every melodic death band, to try labelling Soilwork as bad because they are derivative of the past masters is near-sighted.
As far as i'm concerned, Soilwork along with bands like Skyfire and Dew Scented are pushing the development of melodic death past the At The Gates sound; a genre gets too stale if it fixates on one style for too long, and melodic death has sounded like Slaughter Of The Soul for far too long now.
A Predator's Portrait was the Soilwork album that started to carve new ground, but they had already far surpassed At The Gates as far as skill and intensity was concerned with The Chainheart Machine. The title track, Millionflame, Spirits Of The Future Sun, Possessing The Angels........you can't class At The Gates in the same league as what Soilwork did with The Chainheart Machine, the sound might be indebted to At The Gates, but you'd have to be deaf to not see Soilwork are far more talented than At The Gates were.
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The new Soilwork destroys Clayman, and in my humble opinion their first two albums by a wide margin. I used to hate APP, but now I think it's a decent, if not great, album.
J.
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Originally posted by dolphz
As for Soilwork being an At The Gates ripoffThey have progressed light years beyond At the Gates talents, and are much more interesting and powerfull than AtGates ever was.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ OK, OK, let me wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes. That's better.
Wait...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I'm over it
Surely one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Dolphz, if this is a serious statement you must think Limp Bizkit is the essence of pure musical ectasy.
MadTinus
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This is not to diss you or anything, I just really had a good laugh over this one!I think Dolphz exaggerated it a little, cause At The Gates rule of course, but when looking purely at songwriting and instrumental skills, Soilwork have indeed surpassed At The Gates in the meantime. Stating that doesn't do any injustice to the greatness of At The Gates, but musical progression went on after Slaughter Of The Soul and that's nothing but logical and natural. It's the same with everything. The Spitfire was a great fighter plane, but we've got far superior ones now, don't we..?
This is one motherfuckin' fact of life we have to get realistic about...
MadTinus
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You're really easy to provoke, you know? Just mention anything even remotely negative about In Flames and the fuse is lit!Relax man, don't take it personal, you dig (well, worship more likely!) In Flames, fine. You like them better than Soilwork, fine too. But Soilwork is really a great band man, check it out, In Flames fans should love it too.
J.
Old Fart
Hmmm.....not so sure I agree. Yes I see your point about the fighter plane. But hear is a more relevant comparison. In 1986, a group going by the name of Slayer released an album that is STILL considered the alpha and omega of thrash metal. Yes, the songwriting may be better nowadays as well as production within thrash, but NOTHING will ever surpass the sheer power and magnitude of that 30 minute album. The same is with At the Gates within the realm of death metal. 'Nuff respect.
I disagree... At The Gates was great, but Soilwork surpasses them in pretty much every possible way... better guitar playing (more technical and precise anyway) better drumming, better everything... hehe.. the only logical argument i can see is that At The Gates was slightly more melodic.
J.
Old Fart
dolphz
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I disagree about Slayer. I'm sure that in 1986, Slayer absolutely destroyed everything you had ever heard, but I got into Slayer recently, and in retrospect, I like the Slayer stuff but it certainly is not one of my all time favorite cds, to me it doesn't even come close to measuring upto the intensity of recent bands such as Vader, Emperor, Soilwork or Opeth. I remember getting Peace Sells by Megadeth back when it came out, I thought there would never be an album ever as good as Peace Sells, but eventually there was. I felt the same about Iron Maiden -Killers, and although I still love it, better cds have come out. At The Gates were great for their time, but accept the face, they have been improved upon many times over.
J.
Old Fart
Dolphz said......
If you'll read my last post a bit more carefully, I think you'll see that your response is a bit silly. I didn't say that every rock band that exists is a "rip off" b/c they can be traced back to the Beetles. There is a huge difference between being influenced by bands in your genre and actually CLONING another band. Do you really fail to see this distinction? On A predator's portrait, anyone who isn't tone deaf can ear exact rip offs of the Rhythm guitars that In Flames uses on Whoracle and Colony, most noteably. On this album it is not proper to say they are influenced by In Flames, but rather are trying to become CLONES of In Flames. I'm amazed you didn't understand what I was saying before, but at least now you do.
Again I'll say I like the new direction Soilwork has taken with Natural Born Chaos, an album that is influenced by countless other cd's but does not sound like a cheap clone like A Predator's Portrait did. I may buy this new one.
If you'll read my last post a bit more carefully, I think you'll see that your response is a bit silly. I didn't say that every rock band that exists is a "rip off" b/c they can be traced back to the Beetles. There is a huge difference between being influenced by bands in your genre and actually CLONING another band. Do you really fail to see this distinction? On A predator's portrait, anyone who isn't tone deaf can ear exact rip offs of the Rhythm guitars that In Flames uses on Whoracle and Colony, most noteably. On this album it is not proper to say they are influenced by In Flames, but rather are trying to become CLONES of In Flames. I'm amazed you didn't understand what I was saying before, but at least now you do.
Again I'll say I like the new direction Soilwork has taken with Natural Born Chaos, an album that is influenced by countless other cd's but does not sound like a cheap clone like A Predator's Portrait did. I may buy this new one.Originally posted by Misanthrope
You dont piss off anyone. YOu just show everyone you are a typical elitist closeminded opeth fan. Like half the forum is. You seem to love originality in a band but then you seem happier if they keep that originality sound throughout the years. Like Opeth or at the gates, neither band has done a complete 180 in their careers, and soilwork has done dramatic changes. Shure when DT comes along with skydancer, ocaet, the gallery, the minds I, projector, haven, and damage done everyone goes nuts over their evolution. But since soilwork isnt an established legend they need to keep doing the same album over and over.
Your first sentecne I think shows your jealousy that YOU aren't the one pissing anyone off.
I never said I was happier when a band doesn't experiment, if you'll read my last response to Dolphz, you'll see I support Soilwork's new direction. I said At the Gates is a more established, stronger name BECAUSE they are so clearly associated with one thing in particular. This doesn't mean I think all bands should do what they do. You sure do make a lot of assumptions....
Also in my opinion as an Opeth "Elitist", Opeth HAVE done a complete 180 from Orchid to BWP and I don't like it. To me Orchid and Morningrise are superior to BWP. Morningrise is on my top 5 all time list and yet I didn't even purchase BWP, not worth getting IMO.
MadTinus
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Originally posted by Bumblefoot
Doesn't convince me hehehI don't think Reign In Blood is that great.
Agreed! Though I disagree that Soilwork beats At the Gates.
J.
Old Fart
I agree. While I feel all Opeth albums are essential purchases, the first two are far above anything they have released afterward.
At least Opeth's lamest offering still beats Soilwork's best.
J.
Old Fart
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