Planetary Eulogy said:
Who cares? Truth is not a popularity contest. I'm right, you're wrong. Now move along.ffanatic said:
Planetary Eulogy said:
I think it's difficult to communicate the idea you put forth in a simple fashion. Since appreciation of a given band is personal, and can come from so many different directions, it's impossible to say that a band gets worse, but it's very easy to say they evolve away from you. I've been "abandoned" by lots of bands to be sure, but when you pick it apart, though it's truly unfortunate for the individual listener, it's hard to blame the band. Anyway, I've been disappointed greatly by Metallica (RIDE THE LIGHTNING is still my favorite); Queensryche (after OPERATION: MINDCRIME they started to lose me. EMPIRE is a great pop record, but not what I wanted from Queensryche.. Everything else has bored me to tears); Anthrax has sucked, IMO, since SPREADING THE DISEASE; I haven't liked Chastain's stuff since '91; (offhand, can't come up with more, but I know they're out there..)speed said:
Shut up. Only dumbfucks respect dead people who sucked when they were alive. I know several people whose deaths would amuse me.BalanceofPower said:
I agree, but you can stretch the idea of 'ear candy' and superficial entertainment a very long way into what you would consider 'genuine' art for two main reasons; 1 - you're not a mind reader and you cannot simply deduce a person's pure motives simply from the music they write.....certainly not to the extent of being able to seperate the intents of two extreme metal musicians writing similar-sounding music. 2 - people enjoy and are attracted to how some things sound, regardless of their genuine intent. I for example took an instant liking to the first Demilich songs I heard....and all you anus.com-type fanboys suck-up to them don't you? If they're so genuine in intent and were true, innovating artists, surely I couldn't have liked what I heard from them so easily!! You talk as if genuine art should be impossible to enjoy, or at least difficult to grasp (IE, impossible to like at first glance), and that's not the case is it? Your seperation of popular and 'genuine' art on the basis of intent and ideology is extremely fragile and unclear, and more's to the point UNPROVABLE (all the more demonstrable by the fact that art and aesthetics are a major part of modern philosophical discussion, and about the least supported by facts of any kind ) So much so, that it is practically to the point of being more an egotistical self-justification than an actual way to judge or interpret music.Planetary Eulogy said:
Planetary Eulogy said:
"Prometheus..." is one of the most horrible albums in my collection while "...Nightside..." is one of the very best...Tanith said:
Haha, ewwww indeed. Horrible album, as was "Skeleton Skeletron" in retrospect.DemonicTrance said:
Calculated, pretentious wankery with zero emotion or atmosphere, not to mention horrible production. I hate it.Int said:
This is advice that lesser people such as you absolutely must live by. For intelligent folks like myself who already grasp the truth, it's an unnecessary distinction. We've reached a point of enlightenment sufficient to ensure that our opinions and the truth are one and the same. I'm sorry you lack that skill, but it's really not my fault.ffanatic said:
Wrong. Truth is truth. The "beholder" only plays a role inasmuch as he possesses the ability to perceive the truths which already exist. I, fortunately, am blessed with that ability. You are clearly not. Now run along.
Why? It's nothing more than a silly social taboo. Chuck was an asshole in life, death doesn't suddenly confer sainthood.
Ah yes, "manners." Manners, like "civility" and other social concepts, are really just the face of someone trying to sell you something. The intelligent have no use for "manners" when instructing those less able than ourselves (such as you and your fellow fanboys).
Skeleton Skeletron was by no means horrible. The Church of Tiamat is easily one of the best Tiamat songs, and the rest of the album is not that bad. I'd say it's a pretty good album, solid and worth a few listens. Judas Christ was the first horrible Tiamat album since Clouds, which was a fucking laughable piece of shit and everything before was even worse. Tiamat had a good stint for 3 albums, but everything else sucked donkey dick.phyre said:
I kinda like loud percussion, but I agree with the effects. Ishahn's voice is good enough without crappy effects.phyre said:
Actually, my "worldview" is, like that of any traditionalist, cyclic. But congratulations nonetheless on revealing yourself to be an ignorant non-entity in nearly record time. That took you what, a whole two sentences. Bravo!saturnix said:
Yes, I suppose I do gravitate only in the direction of quality and show a fairly bigoted attitude towards things that suck.
Notice also that the "vector terminology" entered the discussion only through the offices of another poster. I do try to work within a framework of nomenclature basically familiar to the audience. Given the introduction of the concept of "progress" (odious though it may be) into the discussion by others, it only made sense to work within that particular framework. Still, I commend you on your failure to notice how concepts find their way into a given discussion, it reveals that you are utterly unobservant as well as profoundly stupid.
No, what it boils down to is the insipidity of the later Death releases.
No, I don't like their direction, but my personal objections are secondary to the fact that the direction Chuck chose was simply a bad one. I don't personally enjoy the creative "vector" followed by most of the Classical composers (my own preference is for Romanticism), but I recognize the quality inherent in their compositions. If Death's later work hadn't ranged from merely mediocre to abjectly horrendous, I would give them credit where it was due, personal preference or not. It didn't, and I owe them neither respect nor credit; they haven't earned it.
No, my comments about Chuck's death were dead on. They just offended oversocialized losers who feel a need to participate in the secular cannonization of every musician who drinks, smokes and fucks his way to an early grave.
