I loved "The Dark Knight" except for two things: the fake deep "Batman voice," and why weren't the convicts on the ferry shackled or otherwise restrained?
Batman: The Dark Knight
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nailz
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Lol, I noticed that, thus completely invalidating the previous line "no, but I know how you got these!" ... I was like Uh.. didn't he just get shot in the face with razors?
rms
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his voice was no different in Begins and they were shackled, *SPOILER*
the guy who threw the detonator out the window had handcuffs
RiffDaemon
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About the lack of "blood violence." I hadn't really thought of that until now. But actually, I like that. It shows that the movie is so damned good, that it doesn't really need the extra touches of gore.
I'd like to add, however, that it is still a violent movie. People were getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis .. not to mention the pencil trick, interrogation room brawl (I could feel the Joker's concussion, hahahaha), etc. etc.
Blood? Eh .. don't need it
And about Batman's voice. I never watched Batman Begins. The other day, I was walking through the living room and a roommate was watching it. I noticed Batman's voice, and I thought it was ridiculous. However, while watching The Dark Knight .. (p.s. Cecil is the real Dark Knight, hehe .. kudos to you folks who know what I'm talking about!) .. I realized that he's just doing that so he doesn't sound like Bruce Wayne. When I looked at it like that, it didn't feel so bad. *shrug*
I'd like to add, however, that it is still a violent movie. People were getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis .. not to mention the pencil trick, interrogation room brawl (I could feel the Joker's concussion, hahahaha), etc. etc.
Blood? Eh .. don't need it
And about Batman's voice. I never watched Batman Begins. The other day, I was walking through the living room and a roommate was watching it. I noticed Batman's voice, and I thought it was ridiculous. However, while watching The Dark Knight .. (p.s. Cecil is the real Dark Knight, hehe .. kudos to you folks who know what I'm talking about!) .. I realized that he's just doing that so he doesn't sound like Bruce Wayne. When I looked at it like that, it didn't feel so bad. *shrug*
True on both, but the voice was also silly in "Begins" and the restraints didn't seem particularly effective.
But those are two very minor complaints. This was one of the finest ensemble casts I have ever seen in a movie; Heath Ledger deserves an Oscar, but so do Aaron Eckhart and Gary Oldman. No matter what movie actually wins the Oscar next year, or what actors win, "The Dark Knight" will be talked about and remembered for years to come.
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rms
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The banker is a pretty sweet underrated actor imho, I hope he gets a big part one of these days. Seen him in a ton of movies
DoomsdayZach
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I thought that movie ruled. The "batman" voice i thought was great... i understand teh complaints with it, but i think it does well to show a lot about his character. It highlights his anger and his struggle for trying to be the "good" guy while still causing all this death. Plus yes, vocal disguise.
Heath Ledger did an amazing job. I couldn't even recognize him in that role, which says a lot for how well he did the voice and the movements. He really was psychotic. Amazing.
The action sequences were great, but the cut-aways were a bit too much at time. I have no hangups over directors keeping a movie "clean" despite the violence, but some of the cut-aways were too soon... especially the ones involving Joker's laughs that were cut short. That was my biggest disappointment, but hardly anything to get pissyface about for me.
Overall, just a phenomenal movie. Finally, a movie worth some attention gets it.
Heath Ledger did an amazing job. I couldn't even recognize him in that role, which says a lot for how well he did the voice and the movements. He really was psychotic. Amazing.
The action sequences were great, but the cut-aways were a bit too much at time. I have no hangups over directors keeping a movie "clean" despite the violence, but some of the cut-aways were too soon... especially the ones involving Joker's laughs that were cut short. That was my biggest disappointment, but hardly anything to get pissyface about for me.
Overall, just a phenomenal movie. Finally, a movie worth some attention gets it.
Yeah - I couldn't tell it was Ledger, either. An absolutely riveting performance.
nailz
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I think it's less that I didn't recognize him and more that I didn't associate the character and Heath. It's like Viggo Mortenson in any role he's ever been in.. when you're watching him, you don't think "oo, Viggo!" because you're so enthralled, vs, say, Morgan Freeman, who seems to be the same character in every movie.
But I agree, HL could fucking ACT. It's so disappointing that the acting world lost him so quickly.
Source?
Salvation is supposed to take place post T3.
The TV show (Sarah Connor Chronicles) ignores T3 and is an 'alternate reality' type of thing.
I guess whatever it was that I originally read kind of misunderstood what McG was saying but he seems to be trying to remove himself from the rest of the movies.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/861/861048p1.html
booB
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Is this the same McG who is involved with the show "Supernatural"? If so, then count me in... that show is amazing.
It's the same McG who was director for both Charlie's Angels movies. He's producer for Chuck & Supernatural.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Yeah, ithink you're right, though i still can't look at a clip or picture and see Heath in that. It's really incredible. It sucks that he died because, like you said, he can actually act.
booB
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In other words, his projects are hit or miss, and his directing is poor.
Pretty much. Though his last big movie he directed was We Are Marshall which was decent. But that's one of those paint by number movies that you'd really have to try to screw up. Other than that he's only directed a few tv episodes and a bunch of music videos.
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Best movie of the year so far.
Forget about any misconceptions about Batman
Foget about superheroes movies
Forget about Tim Burton movies
Forget about dark humor, there's nothing funny on this movie is a drama (even a thriller/police drama)
Forget all you know and get ready for an exercise in psychology and sociology, who gives a shit about Batman and his gadgets, or the action scenes, is all about the dialogue, the characters, the humanity or inhumanity on them. You don't have a clue what monster the Nolan brothers wrote and Christopher directed. Ledger as the Joker is like a demolition ball, I won't spoil anyone the details but to me this is the movie that ends with all superheroes movies (and I'm preparing myself for Hellboy II).
Be very careful with the dialogue, get sure to measure all the details of what Alfred, Bruce Wayne/Batman, Joker, Gordon and Harvey Dent says because THAT shapes the movie. Understand evil, understand madness, understand humanity, understand mental inllness, understand what heroe means
IMO there cannot be a next Batman movie at least not by Nolan and surely not under these standards, Nolan is an storyteller that drag us into a known character (Batman) showed us how he born ("Batman Begins") and now what his faith will be.
Absolutely brutal, higly recommended for thinking people. Oh even if it is not graphic as a Tarantino movie has disturbing imagery, so go advised this is not some fun ride, it's a glimpse at the cauldron of decaying the human being is and may leave you an aftertaste isn your mouth, it did it for me.
P.S. I guess I know whe Ledger commit suicide, this movie can leave someone scarred.
Forget about any misconceptions about Batman
Foget about superheroes movies
Forget about Tim Burton movies
Forget about dark humor, there's nothing funny on this movie is a drama (even a thriller/police drama)
Forget all you know and get ready for an exercise in psychology and sociology, who gives a shit about Batman and his gadgets, or the action scenes, is all about the dialogue, the characters, the humanity or inhumanity on them. You don't have a clue what monster the Nolan brothers wrote and Christopher directed. Ledger as the Joker is like a demolition ball, I won't spoil anyone the details but to me this is the movie that ends with all superheroes movies (and I'm preparing myself for Hellboy II).
Be very careful with the dialogue, get sure to measure all the details of what Alfred, Bruce Wayne/Batman, Joker, Gordon and Harvey Dent says because THAT shapes the movie. Understand evil, understand madness, understand humanity, understand mental inllness, understand what heroe means
IMO there cannot be a next Batman movie at least not by Nolan and surely not under these standards, Nolan is an storyteller that drag us into a known character (Batman) showed us how he born ("Batman Begins") and now what his faith will be.
Absolutely brutal, higly recommended for thinking people. Oh even if it is not graphic as a Tarantino movie has disturbing imagery, so go advised this is not some fun ride, it's a glimpse at the cauldron of decaying the human being is and may leave you an aftertaste isn your mouth, it did it for me.
P.S. I guess I know whe Ledger commit suicide, this movie can leave someone scarred.
nailz
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I respectfully disagree. I found The Joker to be a great deliverer of extremely dark comedy. If you didn't think the pencil trick was laugh out loud funny, I think maybe you missed a very real and very necessary layer of The Joker's personality.
This particular Batman series was always toted as being a 3 part series, and frankly, I'm excited to see where it goes from here.
Absolutely brutal, higly recommended for thinking people. Oh even if it is not graphic as a Tarantino movie has disturbing imagery, so go advised this is not some fun ride, it's a glimpse at the cauldron of decaying the human being is and may leave you an aftertaste isn your mouth, it did it for me.
P.S. I guess I know whe Ledger commit suicide, this movie can leave someone scarred.
I didn't see it quite that way. Yes, this was a movie of layers, and webs, strands of the main story branching out and dragging the viewer in just as deep as s/he wanted to be, but there was also a huge measure of human goodness in the movie, as well as badness.
I remember reading Ledger had to open up some dark part of himself to fully bring out his character, and bravo totally for him for doing so. However, he didn't commit suicide. He accidentally OD'd on prescription medication. I really don't think it was because of any character he played.
rms
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