Black Sabbath never had a masterpiece.
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Black Winter Day
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bwahaha, you fag. The BEATLES? you know... "we created rock as we know it"? the "we inspired ozzy to go into music" band?
lizard
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yeah I guess you've got to give the props to Blue Cheer for the heaviness of the attack, but the total package was Sabbath. Image, sound, subject matter...since then literally thousands have tried to follow the template, and Sabbath itself became a poor imitation of itself, but nobody has been able to duplicate it.
JayKeeley
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The Beatles were gay. John Lennon was a homo. Ringo was an ugly bastard. George just wanted to be Ravi Shankar, and Paul rode their coat tails all the way to the bank.Black Winter Day said:
Beethoven was a deaf git. Mozart was a Nazi in tights.
All roads lead to Black Sabbath. Learn. Obey. Worship. Die.
Black Winter Day
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lizard
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all roads lead to the Velvet Underground. and speaking of which, how in the world did Lou Reed ever have a top 40 hit about a transvestite "giving head" is one of the great unsolved mysteries!
Everyone on this board could pick a portion from this, and we'd all be left with unique, thought provoking signatures.JayKeeley said:
I've always wanted to hear Blue Cheer. Velvet Underground rules. Listen to Black Sabbath.
lizard
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oh! I also forgot the Iggy and the Stooges CDs.
"Nihilism is something best left to professionals."
- Iggy Pop
"Nihilism is something best left to professionals."
- Iggy Pop
Haha, great quote.
I bought Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power a year ago and finally opened it this weekend. It's in the car right now, making me drive fast.
I bought Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power a year ago and finally opened it this weekend. It's in the car right now, making me drive fast.
Ayeka
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lizard
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Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
I have to agree, even if the self-titled has no other songs than Black Sabbath, it should earn at least a 9 by default...it only contains the song that single-handedly invented heavy fucking metal after all. To paraphrase Jay, there was no metal before Sabbath, anyone who says otherwise is just trying to think of how to creatively deny the obvious.
Papa Josh
Minister of Propaganda
Boy, am I late to this thread....
Those that would get a ten:
Heaven and Hell- Ronnie James Dio was and ultimately is, the only singer who could follow immediately after Ozzy in Black Sabbath. This album was monumental in that it made the public take the band serious after many years of drug hazed haphazardness... wow, say that three times fast! Anyhow, I love DIO, the man, the band, Rainbow, Sabbath.... not much into Elf, but hey, can win 'em all...
Vol. 4- I think the band was at their pinnacle right here. The heavy songs are really heavy, the ballad is one of the most sombre, innocent moments in metal. I feel the honesty in Ozzy's voice and the keys, mellotrons and whatnot are just kickfuckingass!
Those that would get a ten:
Heaven and Hell- Ronnie James Dio was and ultimately is, the only singer who could follow immediately after Ozzy in Black Sabbath. This album was monumental in that it made the public take the band serious after many years of drug hazed haphazardness... wow, say that three times fast! Anyhow, I love DIO, the man, the band, Rainbow, Sabbath.... not much into Elf, but hey, can win 'em all...
Vol. 4- I think the band was at their pinnacle right here. The heavy songs are really heavy, the ballad is one of the most sombre, innocent moments in metal. I feel the honesty in Ozzy's voice and the keys, mellotrons and whatnot are just kickfuckingass!
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
"There was no metal before Sabbath" .. omg i hate phrases like this. Even though i agree in the "Sabbath made metal" thing 100%. How do you know what a band played in 1969? Magazines and music encyclopedias were naming pre-sabbath bands, metal.
I think Paranoid would be the only one I would give a complete 10/10. MOR is probably like a 9.79/10.
lizard
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Iofthestorm: all the building blocks for metal were in place, it took Sabbath to put them together. I think you need to give Hendrix (guitar pyrotechnics and effects), Clapton (the sheer heaviness of Cream), Beck (incredible guitar tones), and yes believe it or not, the Beatles (first widely acknowledged use of feedback on record) credit for making innovations that combined became what we now recognize as metal.
and that's not even considering the wildass black bluesmasters who were ripping to shreds roadhouses all over the south.
and that's not even considering the wildass black bluesmasters who were ripping to shreds roadhouses all over the south.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
I acknowledge that Sabbath did not create metal ex nihilo. But they were undoubtedly the first fully actualized example of the genre...all the others mentioned here were merely cromagnons to Sabbath's homo sapiens.
lizard
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well thats kinda my point. the pieces were all there, it just took someone to move them into the correct positions.
and hendrix was the prototype for the metal guitarist, I believe. all the articles I've read from the time indicate a complete "what the fuck? where is this guy from??" attitude when they first saw him. I mean, his first major tour of the States (after he had gotten popular in England) had him fucking opening for the Monkees, of all people.
and hendrix was the prototype for the metal guitarist, I believe. all the articles I've read from the time indicate a complete "what the fuck? where is this guy from??" attitude when they first saw him. I mean, his first major tour of the States (after he had gotten popular in England) had him fucking opening for the Monkees, of all people.
